EU referendum are you in or out

[kel]

One problem I may have wrongly noticed about all this is how there has been a lot of blame and almost hatred aimed towards the more politically naive of us. Whilst understandable and probably fueled by shock, I'd pass a lot of the blame to their main source of info, tabloids. I understand asking for "journalists" to be politically neutral is a murky area but the power these rags have is crazy.

Hopefully once all this gets settled the whole country can agree that we don't want to see another tory government in power ever again.

[Portland]

I'm basically keeping my head low on social media and checking every now and again if Russia has taken Poland over

[Meow]

How is for you in Canada Meow ? Did you get Canadian Citizenship or you can stay there indefinitely without it ?

It the best place for me. It really is lovely place. Just too dam cold. Every year the long winters get harder to get through. It does sometimes make me think of returning home. I haven't applied for citizenship yet. You can stay as landed immigrant all your life. The only difference is, I have to have a citizenship card otherwise I might be refused entry back into Canada. I'm also not allowed to vote. Or leave the country for more than 2 years. If I committed serious crime I could also lose my status. It cost 1000 dollars for me to apply to become a canadian. I also have to attend classes and learn about the history of Canada and pass a citizenship test to be eligible to become a Canadian. After that I would be sworn in. I hope it all works out for you Giles.

[(o)(o)]

when evidently the majority of Labour supporters voted remain,

Did they? do we know that?

[Muttley]

The only thing brown here is the shit between your ears...

Sure is some erudite and adult conversation going on in this thread.

It makes me lol how the Scots think they can flounce off and join the EU after they leave the UK.
The last thing the EU needs now is more poor countries. Why would they welcome a country so monumentally shit that not even Stuart Campbell wants to live there. When Scotland secedes we should deport him from Bath and make him go and live in Fraserburgh, the grizzling hypocrite that he is.
The EU already got its quota of spiteful ginger tosscakes and foul-tasting spirits when they let the ROI join. I doubt they need more smackheads or fried Marsbars.

Oh the Alanis Morrissette...

[zip accident]

Hopefully once all this gets settled the whole country can agree that we don't want to see another tory government in power ever again.

Don't be silly. Where its centre is on a right-left scale may shift, but there will always be a Tory or equivalent party.

I'm basically keeping my head low on social media and checking every now and again if Russia has taken Poland over

Yeah, or Spain.

Green, under 64, degree, remain.

[merman]

February 2016. A golden era.

When austerity had crapped all over the country and Boris Johnson said that leaving the EU was a bad idea - because it would take years of negotiation, distracting from the real problems in this country.

Like having that mop-headed Eton clockwomble with shit for brains as our next Prime Minister.

[merman]

I've come up with a new acronym for this country.

I'm sure many of you remember the old computer term WYSIWYG - What You See Is What You Get.

Well, we are now living in WLSINWYG - What Leave Said Is Not What You Get


Leave: Less immigration
Reality: Boris wants to join the EEA (European Economic Area) - so we would have to accept freedom if movement for EU workers.

Leave: cutting EU red tape
Reality: trade with Europe and the EEA, you still have to obey EU rules on everything from packaging to contents,

Leave: don't send £350m a week to the EU, fund the NHS instead
Reality: more than one Leaver said that the WHOLE £350m was going to the NHS - but it can't. Because Leave are now promising to match EU funding until 2020, with Boris and Gove signing bits of paper PROMISING money to various groups (including Cornwall and the farming unions). Sure sounds like a bribe to me.

Leave: we're not racist
Reality: racists using the Leave vote as a green light to,start telling "Pakis go home".

Leave: the economy is safe, the pound won't suffer, it's Project Fear
Reality: the pound at its lowest level for 31 years, businesses already losing investments and opportunities

[Meow]

It was a secret ballot there is no-way to know this information. Did people put down the voting preferences and what degree they had. before they voted.

Edit. I wonder how many would have a poo in their friend's house, that voted leave or remain.

[Baggypants]

Apparently leave voted for the Reverse Maastricht. Where we exit the EU but stay in the single market and keep our borders open.

[pogo]

It was a secret ballot there is no-way to know this information. Did people put down the voting preferences and what degree they had. before they voted.

It’s an opinion poll, so comes with the normal warnings, that you have to be careful extrapolating or trying to read too much into a small sample, especially when trying to construct complex patterns out of it. In this case the polls seem to have gotten it badly wrong, all predicting Remain would win up and to the day of the vote. Just like they got it badly wrong in the 2015 election. So I would not put any trust in a survey combining the two results, it is likely to be wildly inaccurate.

This is much more reliable: plots of actual votes, for the whole country, plotted against data which can be pulled from census records. Rather than a survey it‘s real data. Rather than reporting single data points there are hundreds, so you can see the degree of correlation of any relationship. E.g. the one that the most disadvantaged areas with the most lowest paid ended up voting Leave, even though it will impact them most.

Spoiler: show

[gumboot]

Sure is some erudite and adult conversation going on in this thread.

Yeah, and your bit is a typical part of that.

Well that was a piss-take, surely.

[gumboot]

One problem I may have wrongly noticed about all this is how there has been a lot of blame and almost hatred aimed towards the more politically naive of us.

I struggle to comprehend people who think that doing something is somehow intrinsically more important than knowing what needs to be done.

I've no problem with ignorance, but I've a massive problem with ignorance that wades in and causes serious harm.

[edit] Oh, and I've no problem with ignorance that talks a lot of shit. How could I possibly? I prefer people reveal their terrible ideas so that they can be addressed (or determined to be not-actually-terrible if they make a decent case).

[zip accident]

Sure is some erudite and adult conversation going on in this thread.

Yeah, and your bit is a typical part of that.

Well that was a piss-take, surely.

Could be. Not obviously. Maybe.

Allocate my response to the "not a piss-take" universe.

One problem I may have wrongly noticed about all this is how there has been a lot of blame and almost hatred aimed towards the more politically naive of us.

I struggle to comprehend people who think that doing something is somehow intrinsically more important than knowing what needs to be done.

I've no problem with ignorance, but I've a massive problem with ignorance that wades in and causes serious harm.

I agree, it's that whole "regretting an action is better than regretting doing nothing" meme, it's stupid, with nukes for example, regretting doing nothing is trivial, regretting setting one off, that's serious regret.

[Harlequin]

Second referendum ruled out. So we can put that one to bed now http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 05596.html

Ruled out for the remaining length of his premiership, perhaps.