EU referendum are you in or out

[gumboot]

That Post-Referendum Feeling
Brexit: The Legal Minefield

[tufty]

Yanis Varoufakis on ABC's "Late Night Live". http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/pro ... uk/7547260

[zip accident]

Interesting that belief that capitalism is good or evil makes no difference to voting for or against the EU, unlike most of the other factors (though sample sizes and significance for the other factors need clarification).

[pogo]

Interesting that belief that capitalism is good or evil makes no difference to voting for or against the EU, unlike most of the other factors (though sample sizes and significance for the other factors need clarification).

Correlation is not causation. And a poll like this is particularly dangerous as the things asked are not independent. I can’t find it now, but I remember a report of how, in a survey, the questions you asked first influenced the way people answered subsequent questions. E.g. if you ask questions about immigration, then later ask the Remain / Leave question, it leads to more people answering Leave.

[F-ZeroOne]

Europes most loved man meets his fandom:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36648664

[zip accident]

Interesting that belief that capitalism is good or evil makes no difference to voting for or against the EU, unlike most of the other factors (though sample sizes and significance for the other factors need clarification).

Correlation is not causation.

Absolutely. However, no correlation whatever between variables is unusual.

[gumboot]

Well, is Europe obviously pro or anti capitalism?

[Cloudane]

http://www.lbc.co.uk/im-so-scared-now-german-woman-hit-by-xenophobia-calls-james-in-tears-132971

That was hard to listen to

That's the fault of the Remain campaign. They falsely conflated motivation to leave with racism, so then a few idiot racists suddenly think that 52% of the population are with them and they are emboldened to make some noise.

Wow that's some mental gymnastics.

How about it's not the fault of either specific campaign (nor did I ever say it was the fault of Leave) and is just fucking bullshit caused by the ref in general that we now need to stand up to and ensure it doesn't become in any way acceptable.

[gravy]

http://www.lbc.co.uk/im-so-scared-now-german-woman-hit-by-xenophobia-calls-james-in-tears-132971

That was hard to listen to

That's the fault of the Remain campaign. They falsely conflated motivation to leave with racism, so then a few idiot racists suddenly think that 52% of the population are with them and they are emboldened to make some noise.

It's actually the leavers not giving a flying fuck about the obvious consequences of voting out.

It's only a small percentage that are racist but 100% of the leave votes judged their issue with Europe to be more important than triggering the kind of inevitable shit we're seeing post vote.

[Governmentyard]

http://www.lbc.co.uk/im-so-scared-now-german-woman-hit-by-xenophobia-calls-james-in-tears-132971

That was hard to listen to

That's the fault of the Remain campaign. They falsely conflated motivation to leave with racism, so then a few idiot racists suddenly think that 52% of the population are with them and they are emboldened to make some noise.

There's been some wilfully nasty shit on here since the vote but this takes the crown. Dear god, there's not a single ounce of spite left on the shelf for this whole sordid affair, is there?

The population of this country is not inherently racist, but it does on the whole tend to have an inferiority complex which manifests as the opposite, and some misguided notion that 'we' are different to 'them' in some fundamental but unknowable way which isn't true of other comparable nations. All of which feeds into the actual racists, given a framework for making their points under a veil of respectability by a referendum like this.

And while they are a minority, they're a much bigger one than any colour, sexuality or nationality you could find on these islands. They don't need anything but 'have your say' culture and a significant point in time in order to grant themselves carte blanche to act the cunt. And they certainly weren't interested in a word the remain campaign had to say.

Remain campaign's fault my fucking arse. Get a grip on yourself.

[gumboot]

It's actually the leavers not giving a flying fuck about the obvious consequences of voting out.

It's only a small percentage that are racist but 100% of the leave votes judged their issue with Europe to be more important than triggering the kind of inevitable shit we're seeing post vote.

It's a bit iffy allowing one's self to be pressed into voting a specific way for fear of a violent outcome, isn't it?

[Barney]

I think a better way to put it would be to ask what benefits have so far arisen from the decision to leave?

[(o)(o)]

http://www.lbc.co.uk/im-so-scared-now-german-woman-hit-by-xenophobia-calls-james-in-tears-132971

That was hard to listen to

That's the fault of the Remain campaign. They falsely conflated motivation to leave with racism, so then a few idiot racists suddenly think that 52% of the population are with them and they are emboldened to make some noise.

It's actually the leavers not giving a flying fuck about the obvious consequences of voting out.

It's only a small percentage that are racist but 100% of the leave votes judged their issue with Europe to be more important than triggering the kind of inevitable shit we're seeing post vote.

That's giving leave voters too much credit.

The percentage who actually thought about the consequences of the referendum is likely well under 100%.

Pretty much exemplified, by the fact Leave didn't even have a goddamn plan.

[Little stoned kiwi]

I think a better way to put it would be to ask what benefits have so far arisen from the decision to leave?

That's the funny bit. The UK hasn't left the EU yet, nothing has actually changed. The EU might not leave if no one in power has the will to go through with the democratically made decision. It will take years to see how things pan out.
All the political and media fallout is just childish tantrum throwing.

[pogo]

I think a better way to put it would be to ask what benefits have so far arisen from the decision to leave?

So far none. The immediate consequences are damaging volatility and falls in the markets, downgrades in our credit rating, but it’s hard to say how damaging they will be long term.

Any long term benefits? Not really. Any meaningful change such as exiting the EU and Single Market would be so economically damaging they would dwarf any benefits from not contributing to the EU budget. Similarly cuts in regulations, few of which were imposed by Brussels anyway.

We might achieve a cut in net migration, but that’s not really a benefit as migrants contribute massively to the economy. Actually we could easily achieve that with no further action. Britain is suddenly a much less attractive place for migrants, with the pound worth 10% less than it was a week ago. That’s effectively a 10% pay cut for anyone coming here, with no cut in tax (as the rates in £ are the same). Anywhere else in the EU is suddenly more attractive. Together with the uncertainty and the nastiness I imagine many migrants are thinking twice about coming here in the immediate future.