EU referendum are you in or out

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EU Are you IN or OUT

In
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77%
Out
21
17%
Undecided (shake it all about)
8
6%
 
Total votes: 127

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Meow wrote:The thing that will affect the market in the next 20 years is global warming. How much will that cost the average household?
I believe the consensus among migration experts is environmental migration patterns are emerging and we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg. The Syrian crisis and exodus is connected to warming patterns.

In 2014 350k people tried to enter the EU. Projections up to 20m per annum within a few years. Already theorised European routes are in process of being cauterised with EU nations maintaining a grip on entry points through managed financial crisis. To put breaks on it's obvious you apply the ligaments to Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain (PIGS), Turkey. Going forward EU med countries will start migrating eg Italy.

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The long view is free movement will need to be addressed.

Just being pragmatic it's not a new unexpected concept James Lovelock talked openly about this at least a decade ago (random clip below).

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KlaxonCow wrote:EU regulations did actually shackle the UK government from doing their worst, as it had human rights laws and courts. Now we'll likely have Theresa May as Prime Minister and she fucking despises human rights, so watch all those securities and protections you once enjoyed go up in smoke on a Bonfire of her Vanity.
Not going to argue with any of the rest. If anything, it's understating the issues. However, the ECHR is part of the Council of Europe, not the European Union, two entirely different entities. The European Court of Justice, however, is part of the EU. I haven't heard anything about the UK pulling out of the Council of Europe, only the EU, so the ECHR will still, as far as I can tell, have primacy.
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tufty wrote:However, the ECHR is part of the Council of Europe, not the European Union, two entirely different entities. The European Court of Justice, however, is part of the EU. I haven't heard anything about the UK pulling out of the Council of Europe, only the EU, so the ECHR will still, as far as I can tell, have primacy.
True enough. But, well, do you really have any great confidence in that?

In a sense, I can tell that you don't, because you've inserted the caveats and qualifiers - "I haven't heard...", "as far as I can tell", etc. - in there, even though you are absolutely factually right to be correcting me on this.

As it stands, perfectly right. But you're likely going to get Theresa May as Prime Minister - the woman caught lying about not being able to deport a terrorist because he owned a cat, which was the lynchpin of her campaign to get us out of the Convention on Human Rights altogether. The other Leadsom woman has been canvassing support with promises to get rid of the minimum wage, to get rid of maternity and paternity leave, to get rid of unfair dismissal laws and so forth.

The Conservatives are, as we speak, having a pissing contest over who can propose the most evil and immoral agenda possible to win their leadership battle, trying to outdo each other on who hates human rights the most.

In such a climate, is there any reason to hold onto any hope?

Particularly because they'll probably put it up for another referendum and the politically illiterate poor will be tricked into yet again positively voting to be shat on from a great height again. Yay, democracy!

We already know the rhetoric because they started the campaigning long ago. "Human rights are for terrorists. If you support human rights, then you're letting the terrorists win!". Let's watch that thoroughly debunked story about a terrorist not being deported because he owned a cat come up again, just like the straight bananas. Not true. Proved not true. But it only affects the electorate if the fuckers can be bothered to, you know, pay attention to what's going on and a majority - the majority needed to win any vote - simply don't. Just tell them, in a Murdoch daily, that "the big banks, who stole all our money, want to keep human rights for the terrorists and steal all our jobs!" and they'll happily be all ticking the "please torture me" boxes at the polling booths.

Because democracy depends on an informed electorate and, clearly, what we've got right now is simply not remotely close to that anymore.

Okay, yes, I'm being pessimistic here. But you can surely understand why.
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KlaxonCow wrote:In such a climate, is there any reason to hold onto any hope?
1. The more Tories deviate from their manifesto the more incumbent on them to get another mandate. Still hope for a GE.
2. It's gone up! THIRTY TWO police forces are now investigating election fraud.
3. Mass civil disobedience and activism seem quite likely in the near future... happy days...
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(o)(o) wrote: Just being pragmatic it's not a new unexpected concept James Lovelock talked openly about this at least a decade ago (random clip below).
What an interesting guy
gravy wrote:So you're agreeing the benefits of leaving the EU aren't clear?
I never said they were.
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Yeah you did:
Meow wrote:You know I'm right. Fact. Immigrants have been a drain of Britain's Education and Health systems and benefits

Fact. The EU and its open door policy is not working, Hence is why they remainders lost.
There's a load more.
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It's a bit like getting bitten by a radioactive spider, isn't it. Nobody ever tried that so we don't know for definite that the outcome is as bad as some people think, plus Stan Lee says it could turn out awesome and look how atomic farming worked out for grapefruit!

You giving that a go too, Meow?
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Doubt it. He's risk averse. Living in the UK was too hard for him to cope with.
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gravy wrote:Yeah you did:
Meow wrote:You know I'm right. Fact. Immigrants have been a drain of Britain's Education and Health systems and benefits

Fact. The EU and its open door policy is not working, Hence is why they remainders lost.
There's a load more.
This is complete different subject. :lol:
Meow wrote: Some say 2% in 15 years. But nobody really knows that. Could the markets have predicted 2008,The slump in oil prices. There are millions of variables when it comes to the global world market. The thing that will affect the market in the next 20 years is global warming. How much will that cost the average household? It's all purely speculation and the markets aren't that simple.
gravy wrote:So you're agreeing the benefits of leaving the EU aren't clear?

The shorter term negative effect is though.
This is why it's best to use quotes. I thought you were asking about my opinions on the economy. b/c you followed right after with that question. please use quotes in the future so we can be clear what you are talking about sonny.
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Are you now saying the benefit and health systems don't have an economic impact? :lol:
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gravy wrote:Are you now saying the benefit and health systems don't have an economic impact? :lol:
I'm not going to play with you. :|
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Osborne wants to cut corporation tax.

So now we become Europe's tax haven, a grubby little place for the rich to hide their wealth.

And of course that means he further reduces the chance of balancing the books any decade soon.
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Well, at least we won't have EU migrants eroding our wages and employment rights any more, eh?

http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2016/07/ ... ea-leadsom

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But that's only for companies with three or fewer employees.

In the future Sports Direct will consist of thousands of small companies.

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