EU referendum are you in or out

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M&G, Standard Life and Aviva have suspended UK property funds to prevent a run on them.

Cheers brexiteers!

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In graphical form, the options available post-Brexit.

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M&G, Standard Life and Aviva have suspended UK property funds to prevent a run on them.

Cheers brexiteers!

Shit. That's a whole other pot of money I'd forgotten to worry about.

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In London today, Germany’s liberal party decided to offer some words of support:

[Jamesac]

despite him being the perfect example of the kind of idiot that got the soon-to-be-former UK into this mess in the first place.

You're a disgrace.

When you can't come up with something constructive then result to name calling or abuse. Typical of little boys with small penises. You know I'm right. Fact. Immigrants have been a drain of Britain's Education and Health systems and benefits. Fact. Some Immigrants have been major contribution to British economy. Fact. The EU and its open door policy is not working, Hence is why they remainders lost.

It's been explained to you endlessly why the things you claim to believe are untrue. Facts and figures have no impact on these beliefs. You're not only wrong, you're willfully wrong. I'm not calling you a name when I note that you're an idiot, but rather observing a condition with far too much evidence backing it up to be anything but fact. Sorry, there's no room for benefit of a doubt here. There's something horribly broken in your head and you just don't care.

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And the £ is even more fucked today!

Thanks brexiteers!

[gilesgoat]

And the £ is even more fucked today!

Thanks brexiteers!

The main problem is that the whole UK, politically speaking, now looks "extremely unstable/volatile" .. actually looks like "no one really knows what they want to do" .. it's like "OK you got it an now ? And .. THERE IS NO 'NOW' " ..

It really looks more and more all this "Brexit" been more a move done "to upset some opposition" more than any real/realistic plan about "What do we do if we win".

Actually that's really odd in the sense it really looks like "the referendum everyone was expecting the Leave NOT to win", including the leave promoters maybe, no one had/has real plans for it.

"Funny" thing now is .. "Article 50 what do you do ?" .. the more time passes the more looks like the whole thing been "not such a great idea" but even more than this all this turmoil withing Tory/Labor is "even stranger" .. it's really like "WTF are you doing and WHY ??" ..

Also, "proves beyond reasonable doubt" that the whole country is deeply split in almost near a half .. which .. maybe "democratically speaking" IS a good thing "if properly managed".

The problem that also stuff like this open is really "how valid the democratic system is" when things are really "on the edge of a 50% 50%" .. "what do you really do in that case ?" "What is the best option/outcome" because in that case it's like "this case been contemplated by the democratic system" ?

It's really like Buridan's Ass .. except that in this case is very serious .. when margins are so small "there's no way you can find the best solution" You are going to upset FUCKLOAD of people no matter what you choose.

But this referendum turned out weirder than most for many reasons, first an utmost because I think it's not really clear at all what people voted for and why, mostly "to upset / give a kick to some other people/system" rather than maybe "a real choice about EU not EU and its consequences".

That really "ok" been a manifestation of discontent for certain things .. but .. "backed up by absolutely nothing solid" .. and now this is "the worst that is happening" because it makes it look like "this country has no idea about what is doing and why is doing it" ..

All the politicians almost are starting to look "one worse than the other" .. there's not really any "figure" you could say "ok this is someone I am going to trust"

"What do you do ?" .. I don't fucking know .. I think if people were unsure about voting before, seeing now the consequences and such I am personally even more unsure about "what the heck I am supposed to do ?".

This is going to take a fuck long time of many weird things to come before to come to some "better rest" and it's not going to be a happy ride ...

[Little stoned kiwi]

It would be fine if there was some strong leadership. Someone to say everything will be okay and the backbone to forge ahead with optimism and potential.

Pity the UK doesn't have that.

[gilesgoat]

It would be fine if there was some strong leadership. Someone to say everything will be okay and the backbone to forge ahead with optimism and potential.

Pity the UK doesn't have that.

To forge WHAT ?

That is the problem .. "there are no clear ideas/plans/visions" .. even if UK would get all this "independence to take all its own decisions" .. this is not going to solve much of anything, because the problems are still there and there are not clear/convincing proposed solutions/actions.

Worst there has been promises there and there that nobody seems to keep and even that, it's not even that clear if those would leave to solutions, or only temporary adjustments with mode deep consequences later ..

"It's all in the air" .. what definitely emerges as "a big picture" is that "UK is a country with a lot of problems", surely like many others ( almost all of the countries really ) but definitely "there's some crisis here".

And yes there's NO ONE really "that strong" and convincing to say "I know what to do, I know really what's going to happen if we do this" or "this is what probably is the best choices we can do" ..

There's not this feeling ( yet ? ) actually there's nothing much to really believe in.

[Meow]

There's something horribly broken in your head and you just don't care.

B/C I don't agree with your opinions. Boo hoo. Mummy, Meow doesn't agree with me, I know I'm right. I want my mummy. Their their Jamessac, Mummy will rub your tummy for you.....LOL.

And the £ is even more fucked today!

Thanks brexiteers!

Great for British manufacturing. The lower the pounds gets the better it is for me to return.

And the £ is even more fucked today!

Thanks brexiteers!

The main problem is that the whole UK, politically speaking, now looks "extremely unstable/volatile" .. actually looks like "no one really knows what they want to do" .. it's like "OK you got it an now ? And .. THERE IS NO 'NOW' " ..

It really looks more and more all this "Brexit" been more a move done "to upset some opposition" more than any real/realistic plan about "What do we do if we win"..

It is really the fault of politicians. One thing the markets hate is uncertainty. All you need was a strong leader at the beginning. Saying this is how going is to be, this what the public wants, now let's get on with it. We work for the people and we do what best is for the people and Britain. There should been a plan. Not all these politicians throwing their hands in the air and quit. Do really want people like that running your country?

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There's something horribly broken in your head and you just don't care.

B/C i don't agree with you opinions. Boo hoo. Mummy, Meow does agree with me, I know I'm right. I want my mummy. Their their Jamessac, Mummy will rub your tummy for you.....LOL.

It's mainly because you don't agree with facts or even your own posts.

Put Neil on. He makes as little sense but at least it's grammatically correct nonsense.

[Meow]

There's something horribly broken in your head and you just don't care.

B/C i don't agree with you opinions. Boo hoo. Mummy, Meow does agree with me, I know I'm right. I want my mummy. Their their Jamessac, Mummy will rub your tummy for you.....LOL.

It's mainly because you don't agree with facts or even your own posts.

Put Neil on. He makes as little sense but at least it's grammatically correct nonsense.

Have you ever said anything intelligent? I can say and agree and disagree whenever I want it is my opinions. Sonny. Go pick up your toys and stand in the corner. You know that Neil has a username on here?

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Neil? Neil? Are you there Neil?

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Great for British manufacturing. The lower the pounds gets the better it is for me to return.

Just like in 2008-9 when the pound fell by 30% or so? Many people then thought that, much greater, fall in the pound would be a boon for British manufacturing, leading to a rapid recovery. It didn’t happen. Manufacturing kept declining and we had to wait for a consumer led recovery when confidence returned. Good look on that this time around.