EU referendum are you in or out

[KlaxonCow]

I don't know about the markets.

But I'm personally over-reacting to the fact that we're being lead by clueless fuckwits through this Brexit omnishambles - where, every day, there's seemingly some new mad mini-disaster happening - as that really is, on the face of it, all rather alarming.

And, well, we potentially face 2 bloody years of this before the actual Brexit itself even becomes a reality.

[snaff]

And, well, we potentially face 2 bloody years of this before the actual Brexit itself even becomes a reality.

Plus there's the upcoming debt cleansing.

[Little stoned kiwi]

Will it be better if brexit never happens and all the painful anguish is for nothing?

[gumboot]

Is that some kind of trick question?

[Meow]

It will all work out. Britain made the right and only sensible choice. It just remainders acting like sheep and panic over nothing. EU is not your border collie. You don't need the dogs guidance to do everything. Now you can and are capable of thinking for yourselves. Stop put a damper on everything.

[Little stoned kiwi]

Is that some kind of trick question?

No, just a provocative one. Provided enough people kick up a stink and there is no political will to trigger Article 50 then the UK won't be leaving the EU.
That will take time and continued uncertainty for the duration of it, with companies and people fleeing the uncertainty anyway.. Will that still be better than just getting on with it?

[Meow]

Is that some kind of trick question?

No, just a provocative one. Provided enough people kick up a stink and there is no political will to trigger Article 50 then the UK won't be leaving the EU.
That will take time and continued uncertainty for the duration of it, with companies and people fleeing the uncertainty anyway.. Will that still be better than just getting on with it?

EU wants Britain out. LOL. There not going to take you back.

[gumboot]

Is that some kind of trick question?

No, just a provocative one. Provided enough people kick up a stink and there is no political will to trigger Article 50 then the UK won't be leaving the EU.
That will take time and continued uncertainty for the duration of it, with companies and people fleeing the uncertainty anyway.. Will that still be better than just getting on with it?

yes

[phattslagg]

EU wants Britain out. LOL. There not going to take you back.

We haven't left yet, you illiterate cretin. If we don't leave, we stay, whether they like it or not.

[gumboot]

Poor old Meow. Challenged on good English as well as bad. It hardly seems fair.

[snaff]

This also strikes me as one of the first real concrete examples in recent years of John Michael Greer's myth of progress in action. It was taken for granted by many that the EU would continue to grow and integrate together forever, and there was an unspoken assumption that this was all some kind of destiny. Seems like a lot of people have just had a little taste of what happens when the unspoken deep beliefs of exponential growth get poked by the stick of entropy.

[phattslagg]

Poor old Meow. Challenged on good English as well as bad. It hardly seems fair.

Yeah. Fair enough. Ultimately, it's what we writes that qualifies him as a cretin, not how he writes it.

[Governmentyard]

Will it be better if brexit never happens and all the painful anguish is for nothing?

On the whole, in a town which voted out but contains some very dedicated pro-European people (and whose economy is predicated on European investment) I've found that the questions being asked by the common man now are of a better intellectual quality than the ones being asked a fortnight ago. On both sides of the divide.

It's been a horrible, wrong, raw vote but it is not without an up-side. For democracy to work everyone needs to be a politician, unless people are happy to rely on being told what to think.

Few are in the mood to do that now, on either side. Which is a win for the future.

[Meow]

Poor old Meow. Challenged on good English as well as bad. It hardly seems fair.

I don't care. Everyone's entitled to their opinions. I knew I'd be slag off on this thread b/c i'm a not a remainder. Looks like I'm the only one brave e-nuff to state my opinions and to put a positive spin. B/C it not all doom and gloom.

EU wants Britain out. LOL. There not going to take you back.

We haven't left yet, you illiterate cretin. If we don't leave, we stay, whether they like it or not.

It will happen. You pea brain. You think they are just going to hope it goes away. what kind of democracy is that. In 2 years Britains out. 51.9 voted to leave and won you can't ignore that. Thats a majority. Once David Cameron leaves and new PM is in the office it's all going to start to happen and will take about 2 years.


No Need to Panic Over Pound Sterling Decline, this 10% Loss vs Dollar and Euro is Necessary say Capital Economics

https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/gbp-l ... on-t-panic

[Darkflame]

Will it be better if brexit never happens and all the painful anguish is for nothing?

On the whole, in a town which voted out but contains some very dedicated pro-European people (and whose economy is predicated on European investment) I've found that the questions being asked by the common man now are of a better intellectual quality than the ones being asked a fortnight ago. On both sides of the divide.

It's been a horrible, wrong, raw vote but it is not without an up-side. For democracy to work everyone needs to be a politician, unless people are happy to rely on being told what to think.

Few are in the mood to do that now, on either side. Which is a win for the future.

Interesting positive.
I would say though, no mater how engages and questioning the public are, it wont help by itself unless information sources improve.
Of course you can say "well, you should use multiple sources and research" before making important decisions - but the more choices you put to the public to make the more unreasonable that burden becomes.
For someone like myself that believes in more direct forms of democracy, this vote shows the dangers. Not that the public will make the "wrong choices" as such, but rather that miss-information can swing a vote.

I have been reading up on liquid democracy recently;
https://medium.com/@DomSchiener/liquid- ... .hr5jdnwd8
Which seems a interesting idea somewhere between representational and direct democracy.