EU referendum are you in or out

[gumboot]

When I'm elected Prime Minister I promise to hold a referendum on leaving Earth once and for all.

[Absolute_Zero]

When I'm elected Prime Minister I promise to hold a referendum on leaving Earth once and for all.

Juncker 88: ~“I have have seen, listened and heard many leaders of other planets and they are very worried because they wonder about the course the EU will follow."

[Meow]

It will happen. You pea brain. You think they are just going to hope it goes away. what kind of democracy is that. In 2 years Britains out. 51.9 voted to leave and won you can't ignore that.

I direct your attention back to the Irish vote about the EU, and the fact that went to a second referendum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-ei ... of_Ireland.

After a lot of long boring reading and some videos. I understand why. I'm sure that the Brexit referendum doesn't have any of the issue as Lisbon Treaty had. You better hope for Theresa May. Andrea Leadsom is all for leaving the EU. B/C I really can't see there being a 2nd referendum, Or it, Just being ignored.

[merman]

Anyway that is a stupid statement made by a silly politician, now back to real problems what's going to happen next then ? And when ?

Now Britain has taken back control, 150,000 Conservative Party members choose between two awful candidates to decide who leads the party and gets to be the country's second terrible female Prime Minister.

That isn't decided until September.

Then Britain tries to negotiate with the EU from an extreme position of weakness, without enough experienced negotiators, in a vain hope of achieving a deal that gives the country access to the EEA without having to accept freedom of movement for workers.

After a long squabble, a vote is taken in Parliament on activating Article 50.
This probably won't happen until next year at the earliest, since Theresa May wants to push it back.

Meaning months more uncertainty without the public having a chance to vote on anything.

[Baggypants]

Hail King Boris!

[tufty]

Then Britain tries to negotiate with the EU from an extreme position of weakness, without enough experienced negotiators, in a vain hope of achieving a deal that gives the country access to the EEA without having to accept freedom of movement for workers.

You missed a step directly after this one. It's the one where Europe says "First you activate Article 50, then we talk. Until then, fuck off".

[Darkflame]

Personally, I fear the opposite, I fear they might say "well, you have made your intentions clear. We just activated Article 50 for you."
From their perspective, the UK fucking about is probably a irritant they could do without.

[Governmentyard]

Anyway that is a stupid statement made by a silly politician, now back to real problems what's going to happen next then ? And when ?

Now Britain has taken back control, 150,000 Conservative Party members choose between two awful candidates to decide who leads the party and gets to be the country's second terrible female Prime Minister.

That isn't decided until September.

Then Britain tries to negotiate with the EU from an extreme position of weakness, without enough experienced negotiators, in a vain hope of achieving a deal that gives the country access to the EEA without having to accept freedom of movement for workers.

After a long squabble, a vote is taken in Parliament on activating Article 50.
This probably won't happen until next year at the earliest, since Theresa May wants to push it back.

Meaning months more uncertainty without the public having a chance to vote on anything.

You up for a revolution?

[gumboot]

You up for a revolution?

Can I telerevolt? I don't fancy the trip just to do it in person.

[pogo]

Personally, I fear the opposite, I fear they might say "well, you have made your intentions clear. We just activated Article 50 for you."
From their perspective, the UK fucking about is probably a irritant they could do without.

I don’t think so. Although Brexit is turning out as bad as predicted for us in the UK, most people before the vote thought the effect on the rest of the EU would be minimal. EU-UK trade is a much smaller part of the EU economy than the UK economy, and the pain of transition would fall almost entirely on the UK.

But the reaction in the EU has been bad, in some ways worse than here. EU stocks are down sharply and have not recovered. While we have just got on with it and are well on the way to choosing our next PM the EU seems unsure how to respond. Partly this is the implication of Brexit, for the wider EU. No matter how unpleasant the process is, Britain leaving makes it suddenly more real, and something for nationalists across the continent to aim for. In fact the EU making things difficult for Britain might be counterproductive if it just convinces more people the EU does not have the interests of its citizens at heart.

The other reason is economic. The British economy is in a much stronger position, much better able to weather any transition. Our banking crisis was dealt with years ago, with banks bumped into mergers, bailed out by the government, or wound up (Northern Rock). The economy has recovered, and we in particular have a strong independent central bank, able and willing to rapidly take action.

The EU has none of that. It still has an overhang of bad debt, bad banks. Much of the EU has not recovered. And the ECB is badly limited in what it can do, for political reasons and as it’s hard to set one monetary policy for 19 countries at once. Essentially while the UK’s financial crisis is behind it, the one in the eurozone is mostly ahead of it, and their problems stem mostly from the still-unresolved problems of that crisis. E.g.:

The Italian job (Italy’s teetering banks will be Europe’s next crisis)

[(o)(o)]

I hear all the time "Yeah the Brits will never revolt like the French blah blah" from the exact same people who never actively participate.

+1 for a peaceful revolution..

Here's a video of leave campaigners taking responsibility for Brexit :

Spoiler: show

[Darkflame]

But surely any uncertainty with the UK being in/out makes everything worse?

The EU saying "sure we can do without the UK" seems a much stronger message to send then trying to delay things. It might not be as good as the UK being certainly in - but being certainly out I think is better for any market then uncertainty strung out for a few years.

I am not sure it can even be viewed as "being difficult", as its doing exactly what the uk has, apparently, asked for. It could be spun as the EU being efficient - responding to the votes for the people in one of its countries.

[tufty]

Personally, I fear the opposite, I fear they might say "well, you have made your intentions clear. We just activated Article 50 for you."
From their perspective, the UK fucking about is probably a irritant they could do without.

They'd love to. But they can't. They're hamstrung by all that over-officious EU regulation. Well, that and the terms of the Lisbon Treaty, which isn't something they can change without getting all the current members of the EU to agree to it. The UK are still a current member of the EU.

meanwhile, http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... article-50

[merman]

Anyway that is a stupid statement made by a silly politician, now back to real problems what's going to happen next then ? And when ?

Now Britain has taken back control, 150,000 Conservative Party members choose between two awful candidates to decide who leads the party and gets to be the country's second terrible female Prime Minister.

That isn't decided until September.

Then Britain tries to negotiate with the EU from an extreme position of weakness, without enough experienced negotiators, in a vain hope of achieving a deal that gives the country access to the EEA without having to accept freedom of movement for workers.

After a long squabble, a vote is taken in Parliament on activating Article 50.
This probably won't happen until next year at the earliest, since Theresa May wants to push it back.

Meaning months more uncertainty without the public having a chance to vote on anything.

You up for a revolution?

If I felt it would achieve anything, then yes.

The party in power would do everything in its power to hang on.

[(o)(o)]

You up for a revolution? If I felt it would achieve anything, then yes.

The party in power would do everything in its power to hang on.

Let's hear what Noam Chomsky has to say about that :