EU referendum are you in or out

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EU Are you IN or OUT

In
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77%
Out
21
17%
Undecided (shake it all about)
8
6%
 
Total votes: 127

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UK told Nissan it wants tariff-free trading for motor industry, Clark says
So what I said is that our objective would be to ensure that we have continued access to the markets in Europe and vice versa without tariffs and without bureaucratic impediments and that is how we will approach those negotiations.
That’s business secretary, Greg Clark, so presumably this is the official government position.

Problem is it’s also official government position to do something about immigration, i.e. to negotiate a deal which does not include free movement of people.

And they can’t have both. Either we are in the Single Market, like we are now and like Norway and Switzerland are, and have free movement of people. Or we are outside the Single Market and have tariffs and “bureaucratic impediments” like everyone else outside it.

The government still seems to think they can have their cake and eat it: telling Brexit supporters that, yes, they will do something about immigration at the same time as telling businesses like Nissan not to worry about tariffs and other barriers to trade. But such a deal will not be on offer I am sure: even if some countries are willing to compromise, some won’t, and every country has a veto.

(bureaucratic impediments are actually worse than tariffs; right now if you want to export to the rest of the EU you just load your goods into a lorry (or boat, or plane) and take them to other countries to sell. But if you are outside the EU you can’t do that. You might need a licence to import goods to the EU. There will be inspections and checks and delays at the border. There will be forms and paperwork, in part to ensure any tariffs and duties are paid. Tariffs are just a cost of business but the other impediments are far worse and can render some sorts of trade, in perishable goods or just-in-time supply chains, impractical)
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Got a bit of news for you!

The Tories lie and make stuff up.
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pogo wrote:And they can’t have both. Either we are in the Single Market, like we are now and like Norway and Switzerland are, and have free movement of people.
Under EEA "safeguard measures" set out in articles 112 and 113, Lichtenstein has full access to the single market whilst not being subject to freedom of movement.

Sure, it's a microstate... but not inconceivably a useful precedent for a transitional arrangement.
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Well it's also -possible- for you to quantum tunnel through a wall.

You should give it a go :D
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In other news, I'm becoming Irish.
Anyone else here suddenly discovering a urge to claim citizenship rights for anywhere they are able?
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I'm going to start an insurgent movement whereby borderland dwellers capture the Welsh border and force independence through siege tactics.
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venusian wrote:I'm going to start an insurgent movement whereby borderland dwellers capture the Welsh border and force independence through siege tactics.
Big trebuchet lobbing Tom Jones and Bonnie Tyler albums towards London, amirite?
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Darkflame wrote:In other news, I'm becoming Irish.
Anyone else here suddenly discovering a urge to claim citizenship rights for anywhere they are able?

I know of people suddenly claiming double citizenship being Portuguese descendents.
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A few of my friends discovered Irish grandparents. My family is English on both sides back to about 1780. Very inconsiderate.
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Darkflame wrote:In other news, I'm becoming Irish.
Anyone else here suddenly discovering a urge to claim citizenship rights for anywhere they are able?
saw this article about increase in the number of Jews seeking German citizenship


being Irish I initially had other concerns but from what I have read I have indefinite leave to stay (been here since the last century).
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I've got some Scottish, but it's a long ways back. Can I do anything with that?
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gumboot wrote:I've got some Scottish, but it's a long ways back. Can I do anything with that?
Start up a blog comparing crisps
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If I do start a blog comparing crisps, can I use that as my sole basis to petition for Scottish citizenship when it wins independence from England?
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venusian wrote:I'm going to start an insurgent movement whereby borderland dwellers capture the Welsh border and force independence through siege tactics.
What's the point in that? Your lot voted to leave too. Whichever lot your lot are. I don't know, but I think both sides of that border voted to leave anyway.

Oh, it says right there. OK, whatever. What's the point in that, then?
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venusian wrote:I'm going to start an insurgent movement whereby borderland dwellers capture the Welsh border and force independence through siege tactics.
It's happened before.

Owain Glyndŵr lead a revolt in the 1400s that took control of Shropshire and other English territories. France formally recognised the new Welsh nation and signed a treaty with them.

Ultimately, of course, the revolt faltered and England recaptured its lands and imperial dominance again. But you could have another go, I suppose. It almost worked last time.
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