EU referendum are you in or out

[k345y]

It is no coincidence that as the EU begins to look unstable, the right gains a foothold. It's one or the other. You don't get to choose middle ground and you don't get to opt out. Unless you're Switzerland.

It's no coincidence that in austere times the right rises.


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I'm ashamed to be British and never have I felt more compelled to identify myself as Scottish. Scotland is still a moderate forward thinking country as far as I can see in regards to world politics. Anomalous too as we voted to remain a part of a union that is increasingly embarrassingly inward looking whilst as a separate country to the UK we embrace Europe and beyond.

[Governmentyard]

After WWII we were all dead and had no houses and nothing to eat, but we built a welfare state. You're quite correct but it's no guarantee.

[tufty]

Small victory in Richmond.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38178486

[snaff]

Germany now calling for Greece to be ejected from the EU.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... n-minister

It's membership of countries like Greece in the EU that allowed the Euro to be held so low relative to Germany and high relative to Greece, meaning a boom in German manufacturing and exports and the import of debt into Greece. But of course Germany won't allow Greece to declare bankruptcy, nor pay the debt that they profited from.

[Governmentyard]

Greece should fuck off out and get some deals going with us. We can have all the olive oil we want then export fear and spite in return.

[(o)(o)]

After WWII we were all dead and had no houses and nothing to eat, but we built a welfare state. You're quite correct but it's no guarantee.

Different circumstance. Wartime brings people of different strata together. Post war austerity was accompanied by socialism and after enduring war increased solidarity, and a desire to not to repeat the preceding Conservative years of poverty and squalor. Modern austerity is a con.. rather than bringing people together it causes division, furthering the right leaning mentality..

Sadly I think the natural disposition of modern humans is to veer to an egocentric POV, and it takes actual visceral bloody war to create enough empathy to form a pact ....

WE THE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED NATIONS DETERMINED to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small, and to establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law can be maintained, and to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom...

[(o)(o)]

So in the supreme courts Attorny General Jeremy Wright says government’s ability to act without parliamentary vote is ‘fundamental pillar’ of constitutional state.

Wright said. “The need [for governments] to maintain control of strategy and policy matters is clear and compelling.” Parliament is sovereign, Wright added, but it had chosen to limit the government’s prerogative powers “sparingly, conscious of the need for executive powers”.

Seems that by omission, ie. not overtly and explicitly specified - this government believes it has prerogative powers and it will use and... them...

Is this a concern at all?

James Eadie QC, “Governments can take steps without further parliamentary legislation including by removing [individuals’] rights..”

[zip accident]

So in the supreme courts Attorny General Jeremy Wright says government’s ability to act without parliamentary vote is ‘fundamental pillar’ of constitutional state.

Wright said. “The need [for governments] to maintain control of strategy and policy matters is clear and compelling.” Parliament is sovereign, Wright added, but it had chosen to limit the government’s prerogative powers “sparingly, conscious of the need for executive powers”.

Seems that by omission, ie. not overtly and explicitly specified - this government believes it has prerogative powers and it will use and... them...

Is this a concern at all?

James Eadie QC, “Governments can take steps without further parliamentary legislation including by removing [individuals’] rights..”

You mean they weren't always a fiction?

[gumboot]

Greece should fuck off out and get some deals going with us. We can have all the olive oil we want then export fear and spite in return.

EU 2?

Can't think of a witty subtitle, sorry.

[merman]

So today Maggie May talks about a red, white & blue Brexit.

And I'm a traitor for not backing it.

But then I'm f*cked if I actually understand what she means.


Labour forced her into making at least one official statement on strategy before Article 50.

[KlaxonCow]

A red, white and blue Brexit?

So she means a French exit, then?

[offyoutoddle]

no, because then it would have to be blue, white and red.

[(o)(o)]

I can't believe she actually said that.

This is one dumb bitch.

It's becoming more transparent by the day that Theresa May hasn't got a fucking clue what she's doing.

[Harlequin]

A USAmerican Brexit, then?

[tufty]

The french flag's blue, white and red, now you mention it...