EU referendum are you in or out

[offyoutoddle]

What I want to know is why does this rancid old hag insist on talking in riddles. I mean, does she think it makes her look wise or cool or something? Is it some kind of misguided attempt to draw attention away from the fact she appears totally clueless? To quote Mick Hucknall (which isn't something I plan on doing regularly ) 'she'll have to go'

[KlaxonCow]

no, because then it would have to be blue, white and red.

Then she'll be waving the Star-spangled banner as she Brexits instead?

Now that one's definitely known as "the red, white and blue". In that order.

(Of course, I'm deliberately misinterpreting her to make the points that 1. it's a bloody stupid thing to say and 2. it's a really poor way of saying it, even if it wasn't a bloody stupid thing to say in the first place. Clearly, she doesn't mean a French or American Brexit and I know that. But I deliberately misinterpret to make clear the point that it's a horribly misinterpretable thing to say.)

[gumboot]

She's talking about the unity of blue and red political parties in working together to make Britain white. Obviously!

[offyoutoddle]

no, because then it would have to be blue, white and red.

Then she'll be waving the Star-spangled banner as she Brexits instead?

Now that one's definitely known as "the red, white and blue". In that order.

(Of course, I'm deliberately misinterpreting her to make the points that 1. it's a bloody stupid thing to say and 2. it's a really poor way of saying it, even if it wasn't a bloody stupid thing to say in the first place. Clearly, she doesn't mean a French or American Brexit and I know that. But I deliberately misinterpret to make clear the point that it's a horribly misinterpretable thing to say.)

well that's fine by me sir, feel free

One of my many problems with her is how she thinks she can invent soundbyte words and phrases that will catch on to hide something else or just the fact that she has nothing of substance to say. My personal favourite was that nauseating acronym 'Jams' - a short snappy word to avoid saying something how it is - e.g struggling families - in case people catch on that its conservative policy failures we are talking about. 'Brexit is brexit' and this latest gem are more honestly 'I've got nothing'. Sometimes this crap strongly reminds me of Orwell's 'newspeak', controlling though by controlling language.

But then it seems to work, which is probably why I hate it the most. People love to pick out (preferably short) buzzwords and overuse them in speech, even quite smart people, like picking conversational remarks off the peg . I truly want to vomit, and always turn off when someone uses the word 'narrative' when talking about politics. If you listen to talk radio stations like LBC for example, you will hear both presenters and callers pulling this bunny out of the hat so many times a day buzzword bingo with it isn't even fun anymore.

Still, after multiple rejections we have her precious snoopers charter now she's PM (funny that) - I'd better watch out for this expressing my opinions stuff I'm sure. If I don't post for a while don't worry, I"m probably in the gulag.

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[Ollie]

"Jams" doesn't even mean struggling families, though, not really. It means families who are managing, and could manage better if they cut back a bit, not those who've already cut back as much as they can and still don't have enough. It means families who have their own home but worry about the mortgage. Families who worry about their job security and getting their kids into a good school. Not families who could never afford their own home, are lucky if they can even get jobs, and don't have the option of sending their kids to a good school. It's a way to make the middle classes feel taken notice of while deliberately not mentioning the people who are really struggling.

[offyoutoddle]

You make a good point, and it is that too. However, it really depends on what middle class families sacrificed to keep on managing, and what constitutes managing - just because someone is middle class, it doesn't mean they aren't in the poo. I'd definitely recommend listening to talk radio shows, and far from stories of parents worrying about no longer being able to afford Tarquin's extra latin classes, you will hear stories of middle class home owners near to tears who go to work and can't afford to eat at lunchtime regularly for example. In no way does that detract from the suffering of people without homes of their own I would like to stress.

I don't want to get dragged further into that can of worms to be honest, but at least I think we agree it is using words as a diversionary tactic.

[(o)(o)]

I think Theresa May got it mixed up.. what she meant was " black and blue " brexit...

And if you thought things were looking a bit 'tricky' at the moment.. enjoy these 20 additional reMOANders of what a fuckopracy the Tory party have put upon the British people : https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... we-thought

Whitehall has bowed to pressure.. they have said they will deliver 'one or two lines' on the Brexit plans before pulling the trigger. She really is holding her cards close to her chest!!!

Here's for the first time I can reveal what is on one of those cards :

Spoiler: show

I'm joking of course there are some definitely plans for Brexit: Firstly, we have a concrete date to start taking water onboard : March 2017. Secondly, it's clearly a policy decision to upset our EU neighbours with whom we are negotiating as much as possible.

You make a good point, and it is that too. However, it really depends on what middle class families sacrificed to keep on managing, and what constitutes managing - just because someone is middle class, it doesn't mean they aren't in the poo. I'd definitely recommend listening to talk radio shows, and far from stories of parents worrying about no longer being able to afford Tarquin's extra latin classes, you will hear stories of middle class home owners near to tears who go to work and can't afford to eat at lunchtime regularly for example.

Yes that's where the watermark is set. The Tory party don't give a fuck about anyone below that level. They barely exist, except as figures on spreadsheets that needs cancelling out, through a modern day, low-level, Holodomor style economic execution.

IF, as seems almost certain, the economy tanks again, the watermark will rise further.. lower-upper-middle classes will be driven to scorn middle class earners, who made the lifestyle choice of scrounging benefits whilst they had a job..

[gilesgoat]

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In all this thing of colours allow me to show you a tiny masterpiece of Italian cinema ..

This is from a 1981 movie titled "White, Red and Green" it was a story about a group of different people travelling to Rome/other places to go and vote for can't remember what important thing was at the time.

One of the characters, Pasquale Amertano, is an Italian guy living in Germany since many years ( apparently - well until you see the end - he's been living so many years in Germany he forgot how to speak Italian ) that comes down all the way from Germany to Italy to vote, during his way back in Italy "all shit happens" to him, he gets robbed, scammed, almost beaten up by people ( Italians ) and during all the movie he does not speak one single word.

Finally .. he gets to the voting station, puts his vote on the paper and when he's about to put it in the "urn" he says "I have something to say ... .. " ..

The last words when he holds his vote are around the lines of ".. and you know ? You know what happens with this vote ? That you can all .... "

I can see stuff like that happening again



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[k345y]

Red,white and blue brexit.
somebody make it stop, my sides, they hurt.

[(o)(o)]

Just to recall, she's saying red white and blue because...



Fuckin cheek, given Scotland wasn't seeking Brexit...

Give it a couple of years that might need altering to :

[gilesgoat]

Why Ireland is in ? Isn't Ireland EU and UK not

[Absolute_Zero]

^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acts_of_Union_1800

[(o)(o)]

Well.. Northern Ireland.. but that does raise the issue that both England (inc Wales) and Northern Ireland (as represented by Saint Patrick's Saltire per Absolute_Zero's post) flags are red and white...

So when people say red white and blue, they might ought to say " red, red and blue on white " ?

[tufty]

It's *obviously* a sign that she wants all the parties to pull together :

Red, for Labour. White, for UKIP, obviously. Blue, for the bruising the conservatives are going to take at the next election.

[Absolute_Zero]

Just on the off chance that anyone here really is wondering what was meant... I took as a rebuff to the talk of last week of a so-called 'grey Brexit' - that is, a CETA-like [Canadian] trade agreement with the EU.