EU referendum are you in or out

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EU Are you IN or OUT

In
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77%
Out
21
17%
Undecided (shake it all about)
8
6%
 
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zip accident wrote:what is keeping wages down while food prices rise?

Probably for those doing better than average making decisions to forego luxuries (e.g. satellite tv, less exotic holidays or staycations) so they can afford food.

For those not doing well, probably foregoing/postponing some other essential (heat, clothing, etc.)

though it's obviously those pesky economic EU migrants (for those of a particular Brexit persuasion) ;)

not sustainable though
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VNVObit wrote:
zip accident wrote:what is keeping wages down while food prices rise?

Probably for those doing better than average making decisions to forego luxuries (e.g. satellite tv, less exotic holidays or staycations) so they can afford food.

For those not doing well, probably foregoing/postponing some other essential (heat, clothing, etc.)

though it's obviously those pesky economic EU migrants (for those of a particular Brexit persuasion) ;)

not sustainable though
Oi, you missed most of what I said (which is expected) and started a new page, which while unintentional, is disappointing.
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Absolute_Zero wrote:"full employment"
Grauniad wrote:More recently, economists have come up with a concept called the non-accelerating inflation rate of unemployment, or NAIRU, measuring the level of unemployment – often referred to as "structural" – that is supposedly consistent with pretty much everyone being able to find a new job if they want. The Bank of England and Office for Budget Responsibility currently put Britain's long-term NAIRU at around 5%.
At 4.8 per cent, we are in "full employment" - technically.
That definition that the Guardian is repeating is silly. If anybody who wants can find jobs, what is keeping wages down while food prices rise?
Your "answer" doesn't actually touch my question:

if wage inflation is caused by everyone who wants one being able to find jobs, how can a level of unemployment that keeps wage inflation down not be keeping some people involuntarily out of work? Necessarily, if it keeps wage inflation down, it must be keeping some people involuntarily out of work.
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Unemployment as a % of workforce does not indicate the quality/value of employment and only focuses on those that qualify as unemployed (I.e. Available to work for x hours and have less than y hours of unemployment)

The move to gig economy has redefined many as self employed (bollocks really as only the form of employment has changed) which impact on salary (umbrella company relief etc) which pushes down official salaries as people find other ways of extracting cash from these companies (dividends, etc)

Bizarrely and contrary to risk/rewards dynamic of capitalism this transfer of risk to employees by way of insecurity of employment isn't always compensated fairly and consequently cost to the original employer (taking into account all associated costs) are reducing. The "self employed" are finding ways of making their take home pay increase while not increasing the gross cost (effectively reducing tax take).

Some businesses are built entirely upon the gig economy (uber, delivering, etc) which probably has a bigger impact on unemployment albeit it is not through full time employment.
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VNVObit wrote:Some businesses are built entirely upon the gig economy (uber, delivering, etc) which probably has a bigger impact on unemployment albeit it is not through full time employment.
There's a brouhaha over here regarding uber. Their drivers have been "on strike" for the better part of a month now, they want employee status (amongst other things)
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tufty wrote:There's a brouhaha over here regarding uber. Their drivers have been "on strike" for the better part of a month now, they want employee status (amongst other things)
That's probably got something to do with that case here last year:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uber- ... 81526.html
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I got chatting to an Uber driver a couple weeks back. He was really miffed - for a 14 hour day, midweek, he was coming home with about £65 after tax, fuel, insurance, Uber fee. He reckoned that was pretty typical too. He'd only been with them 6 weeks but he was getting ready to drop them ASAP
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Rhythm wrote:for a 14 hour day, [...]
Isn't that illegal? I had a real taxi drive going on at me about the maximum shift length regulations he was subject to, years ago, and I thought it was something not as long as that.

Of course, Uber's whole business model is about saving money by avoiding all those costly safety regulations. Doesn't seem like ethical business to me.
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Exactly, if you're being treated as self employed, entirely down to yourself how long you want to work.
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Well that's not necessarily true, of course. It could be seen as dangerously irresponsible, and illegal on such grounds, to operate a passenger vehicle in an impaired state brought about by fatigue.
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Meanwhile, the mad cow is going ahead with it. She wants out of the ECHR as well, apparently, so any future uber-type decisions in favour of the worker seem unlikely.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38641208

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tufty wrote:Meanwhile, the mad cow is going ahead with it. She wants out of the ECHR as well, apparently, so any future uber-type decisions in favour of the worker seem unlikely.
Would that not require us to cancel our near seventy-year founder membership of the Council of Europe?
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Yeah, fucking fuck's sake :-(

Genuinely fed up with this place. I thought the UK was a fairly forward thinking bastion of tech and arts with a rich and varied history but it turns out it's just a rainy shit hole filled with idiots who believe everything Sky, the Daily Mail and the Express tell them.

I need to get my family out of here, I really do. Question is, as my missus is mid-degree, where the fuck do I go?
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Rhythm wrote:Yeah, fucking fuck's sake :-(

Genuinely fed up with this place. I thought the UK was a fairly forward thinking bastion of tech and arts with a rich and varied history but it turns out it's just a rainy shit hole filled with idiots who believe everything Sky, the Daily Mail and the Express tell them.

I need to get my family out of here, I really do. Question is, as my missus is mid-degree, where the fuck do I go?
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Harlequin wrote:
tufty wrote:Meanwhile, the mad cow is going ahead with it. She wants out of the ECHR as well, apparently, so any future uber-type decisions in favour of the worker seem unlikely.
Would that not require us to cancel our near seventy-year founder membership of the Council of Europe?
Yes, indeed, it would. As the ECHR has NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH THE EU.

Nichts. Nada. Diddly squat.

As Home Secretary, Theresa May wanted to get us out of the ECHR so she could deport terrorists and have her own "British Bill of Rights". No-one took that seriously and she got nowhere.

Along comes the EU referendum and May is a Remainer. Let us remember that. She didn't want Brexit. But, interestingly, she kept quiet during the campaign and bided her time.

Brexit wins and she rushes into the leadership campaign, becoming the unelected leader of her party and the country.

She makes speeches about Brexit where she confounds and confuses the European Court of Justice with the European Court of Human Rights. She brings up the "British Bill of Rights" again.

Right after her bait-and-switch of trying to conflate the ECJ with the ECHR to suggest that leaving the EU means leaving the latter, though it absolutely doesn't, as it's no more a part of the EU than the Eurovision Song Contest is, she then insists that it's "unacceptable" for Parliament to debate and question her.

Yes, because MPs do know the difference between the ECJ and ECHR, so would very likely bring up her bullshit tactics during any such debate and vote down her attempts to sneak her long-standing agenda under the radar of "Brexit means Brexit", though Brexit does not mean leaving the ECHR, in fact.

Why was a Remainer so keen to take on implementing Brexit? Because, shit, if it's going to happen then it's going to happen and it's a great way to sneak her agenda of having an irrational hatred for the ECHR in there when no-one's noticing.

After all, it's got the "European" word in it, so she rightly reckons who amongst these fucking idiots who actually voted for Brexit - because they don't like Pakis and blacks, even though Pakistan and Africa / the Caribbean are not, of course, part of the EU and, thus, none of this will have a single iota of impact on immigration from the Commonwealth, which is where the non-white and Muslim folks are actually coming from, that none of them had any fucking sense to comprehend - is going to notice the subtle sophistication in her strategies?

This is why a Remainer has been so keen to rush to "hard Brexit" with delight. She's always wanted her "British Bill of Rights" - cast in her own image, by her Tory attitudes to human rights, so don't expect them to actually resemble anything humane or have any notion, indeed, of workers' rights within them, when Tories are the authors of it all - and this is how she finally pulls it off. The ultimate "kill the poor" agenda of wiping out every single right and protection and assistance the 99% ever had on their side.

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Typical interview with a brexit voter on Ch4 News this evening.

Why do you think hard brexit is good?

Cause this is our England, it belongs to us.

But don't you think your area needs trade with the single market?


But immigrants 'n that. They take out jobs and our houses

Don't you think there maybe an economic impact though?

Yeah, but we need to stop this immigration.


*Sigh

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