EU referendum are you in or out

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EU Are you IN or OUT

In
98
77%
Out
21
17%
Undecided (shake it all about)
8
6%
 
Total votes: 127

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Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty wrote:Article 50

1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.

2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.

3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.

A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.

5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.
It's considered irrevocable because of number 3 there.

Two years after the date of notification, the treaties automatically expire.

There is simply nothing in this text indicating any mechanism for changing your mind.

I mean, in practice, if we went to the European Council and told them we'd changed our minds, would they accept it anyway? Probably. As they don't want Brexit to happen and such a humiliating climb-down - further scaring off anyone else thinking of following suit - would be exactly what they want, so they likely would accept it.

But, really, the fundamental point is that this is not going to happen. This is false hope. Give it up. May is not going to concede. The chance for the only power - the Commons - able to reverse it to stop it has been and gone. Brexit voters would riot. No chance. So, you know, don't torture yourself with any wild fantasies to the contrary.
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Blimey how long is the denial phase going to go on for? (Isn't that only the first stage of grief too, it's going to be a long one)

Yes it sucks but it's Definitely Happening. The "m-maybe we can change our minds during the process!" and such is really sounding desperate. Maybe it's a good time to accept it and think about how it can be made a good thing, or if that's not possible then at least suck as least as possible?
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KlaxonCow wrote:But, really, the fundamental point is that this is not going to happen. This is false hope. Give it up. May is not going to concede. The chance for the only power - the Commons - able to reverse it to stop it has been and gone. Brexit voters would riot. No chance. So, you know, don't torture yourself with any wild fantasies to the contrary.
Yay, good sense.

One small additional point on Article 50, if it were revocable then it would present an obvious opportunity for abuse of process.
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Absolute_Zero wrote:
KlaxonCow wrote:But, really, the fundamental point is that this is not going to happen. This is false hope. Give it up. May is not going to concede. The chance for the only power - the Commons - able to reverse it to stop it has been and gone. Brexit voters would riot. No chance. So, you know, don't torture yourself with any wild fantasies to the contrary.
Yay, good sense.

One small additional point on Article 50, if it were revocable then it would present an obvious opportunity for abuse of process.
So 9 months on.. these clowns STILL haven't even done an impact assessment of 'no deal', which they should have done BEFORE a referendum (so the public knew what they were voting for).. Talk about obvious abuse of process!! Not to mentioned this unnecessary referendum was set firmly on a platform of (allegations of) criminal wrongdoing by the Tories, and UKIP exploiting intelligence services from Cambridge Analytica ..

But nah.. let's just continue driving the 18 wheeler forward at high speed, windows blacked out, with no option of applying brakes... Yay !!!

Which has now given the SNP mandate to smash up the UK...

Yippity-fucking-yay...

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Monbiot nails it here :

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... t-cut-rope

What a complete fuck up this government is.
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Disgraced former minister Liam Fox who wangled his way back in as a trade minister says the way forward is to deregulate.

Because that did such a good job in the bus services, didn't it?
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March 29th.

When Britain punches itself in the face.
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merman wrote:March 29th.

When Britain punches itself in the face.
With all respect "with all that stuff that been done and said so far" this already happened, and continues to happen.

CORRECTION : "52% of Britain did, 48% did not" ...
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gilesgoat wrote:
merman wrote:March 29th.

When Britain punches itself in the face.
With all respect "with all that stuff that been done and said so far" this already happened, and continues to happen.

CORRECTION : "52% of Britain did, 48% did not" ...
It's Article 50 that really lands the punch though.

Inflation jumps to 2.3%, higher than average wage rises. All thanks to Brexit.
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merman wrote:March 29th.

When Britain punches itself in the face.
When roughly half of britain punches itself in the face. The other half are facepalming.
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merman wrote:
gilesgoat wrote:
merman wrote:March 29th.

When Britain punches itself in the face.
With all respect "with all that stuff that been done and said so far" this already happened, and continues to happen.

CORRECTION : "52% of Britain did, 48% did not" ...
It's Article 50 that really lands the punch though.

Inflation jumps to 2.3%, higher than average wage rises. All thanks to Brexit.
That's if we're very, very lucky. Instant 50% price rises are what I'm expecting, it may settle down to a lot less once the shock is over, but it might just spiral, and that would be very bad indeed.
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There's no way I can get my house sold and my money evacuated by then.

I guess I'll feel better if the pound starts its death spiral now, so that there's no "oh fuck I missed it" cliff.
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gumboot wrote:There's no way I can get my house sold and my money evacuated by then.

I guess I'll feel better if the pound starts its death spiral now, so that there's no "oh fuck I missed it" cliff.
Wednesday week is when Brexit will be officially triggered:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39325561
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hmz...probably keep my unit trust but convert more to euros in the next few days then.

Whats the thinking on safety with savings? split between euros/investments and some buried in the garden?
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zip accident wrote:
gumboot wrote:There's no way I can get my house sold and my money evacuated by then.

I guess I'll feel better if the pound starts its death spiral now, so that there's no "oh fuck I missed it" cliff.
Wednesday week is when Brexit will be officially triggered:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39325561
That would be tight but far from impossible in the US. In the UK, no fucking chance whatsoever.
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Brexit Eve.

Hope you all wrote your letters to Santa May asking for your sovereignty.
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