EU referendum are you in or out

[merman]

Now begins two years of crap negotiations before the EU rejects all of the demands.

[KlaxonCow]

Bloody Huguenots.

[(o)(o)]

Wow. It's taken Angela Merkel less than 4 hours to shit all over May's plans...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 56506.html

Well it's been pretty obvious hasn't it, from before even thinking about having a referendum, the EU will have almost complete control of the process of Britain being squeezed out of the European Union like a sorry looking.. highly compacted turd..

Theresa May looked absolutely in her element...

This is her Malvinas moment!

I doubt she barely gives a fuck about the EU.. at the front of agenda with this bunch of sociopathic inbred fuckwits is taking back control.. ie. removing all the workers and humans rights and years of progression that we've developed through our partnership with Europe, and reconstituting those tremendous qualities of The Great Victorian era..

[gilesgoat]

At to day I still haven't really understood what PRECISELY UK did not like about EU and why it could not have been sorted by dialogue/some other means.

The only thing that "more or less clearly" sounded to me they were scared to have to accept "too many Syrian refugees" , that was more or less the only "clear problem".

The rest I am really not sure if I understood what were/are the problems they could not solve by discussion.

And more than "EU" got the remote feeling it was more a thing like "UK vs Germany" or am I wrong ?

[edit] - we could also say "if a thing like EU not EU can not be solved with dialog and such" and ends up in "cutting away bridges" .. then imagine if you'll ever solve a thing like Middle East or terrorism or such with dialog and peace proposals ...

We can't even solve a thing like EU .. it's not promising ...

[(o)(o)]

The only thing that "more or less clearly" sounded to me they were scared to have to accept "too many Syrian refugees" , that was more or less the only "clear problem".

Immigration issues where they wanted the focus.

Those that willed it forward have far greater ambitions.

[zip accident]

At to day I still haven't really understood what PRECISELY UK did not like about EU and why it could not have been sorted by dialogue/some other means.

The only thing that "more or less clearly" sounded to me they were scared to have to accept "too many Syrian refugees" , that was more or less the only "clear problem".

The rest I am really not sure if I understood what were/are the problems they could not solve by discussion.

And more than "EU" got the remote feeling it was more a thing like "UK vs Germany" or am I wrong ?

[edit] - we could also say "if a thing like EU not EU can not be solved with dialog and such" and ends up in "cutting away bridges" .. then imagine if you'll ever solve a thing like Middle East or terrorism or such with dialog and peace proposals ...

We can't even solve a thing like EU .. it's not promising ...

Where I live I can walk to the shops and some days, 3/4 conversations I overhear in passing I can't understand, because they're not in English. Most of them seem to be German or Polish or something from that sort of region, there are black people who speak not-english as well, but the majority around here seem to be east European. I don't mind that much, because I'm stuck in a town with townies, so it wasn't home anyway, but I can see that for those that feel otherwise at home here, it's a bit odd.

[rowan]

At to day I still haven't really understood what PRECISELY UK did not like about EU and why it could not have been sorted by dialogue/some other means.

I guess people'd been rumbling on about not liking this that or the other & 'another thing from Brussels' & it all came to a head, slightly.

I'm sorry we're where we're at but we have to hope for the best made of IMO a bad job, or feck off somewhere else.

[Darkflame]

The EU was a convenient thing to blame for both politicians and the public alike. Maybe 1 in 10 things the EU was blamed for it actually was responsible for in a significant way, but that doesn't mater. Apparently decades of blame doesn't go without consequence.

Anyways, I'm ok. I got my Toblerone in front of me now. My EU Toblerone.
Dunno how the rest of you stuck in the UK will manage. Hopefully it wont be as bad as rational thinking seems to indicate.

[Harlequin]

[edit] - we could also say "if a thing like EU not EU can not be solved with dialog and such" and ends up in "cutting away bridges" .. then imagine if you'll ever solve a thing like Middle East or terrorism or such with dialog and peace proposals ...

We can't even solve a thing like EU .. it's not promising ...

We did solve the major terrorism problem we had via dialogue with the IRA among others. Unfortunately, it would appear that the agreement we reached is threatened by our separation from the EU.

Where I live I can walk to the shops and some days, 3/4 conversations I overhear in passing I can't understand, because they're not in English. …

I have had a similar experience walking around parts of Wales. I understand that many Welsh people are also rather upset about so many people in their own U.K./currently EU country not speaking the native language.

The EU was a convenient thing to blame for both politicians and the public alike. Maybe 1 in 10 things the EU was blamed for it actually was responsible for in a significant way, but that doesn't mater. Apparently decades of blame doesn't go without consequence.

Closer to one in forty-odd, I would think.

[KlaxonCow]

I understand that many Welsh people are also rather upset about so many people in their own U.K./currently EU country not speaking the native language.

Which native language?

[Harlequin]

I understand that many Welsh people are also rather upset about so many people in their own U.K./currently EU country not speaking the native language.

Which native language?

Welsh.

[Harlequin]

According to the Grauniad, it is looking like 'the UK will be able to revoke its notification of article 50 … “subject to conditions set by all EU27”'.

[KlaxonCow]

According to the Grauniad, it is looking like 'the UK will be able to revoke its notification of article 50 … “subject to conditions set by all EU27”'.

I already covered this earlier, predicting that they would, in practice, accept a revocation of Article 50 because, after all, they don't want it to happen at all. But that there's no point torturing oneself with such thoughts, as - barring catastrophe or revolution - it's just not going to happen from the UK end of the equation.

[MegaZoid.]

Yep all this talk of why we should remain or why we should exit is pretty futile as it looks like at this point the UK is definitely exiting the EU.
It might just be me as i know fuck all about politics but it's all become rather tiresome now with it constantly in the media.
The decision has been made , nothing can be done to change it , let's move on.

[phattslagg]

Tiresome? You haven't seen the half of it. Yesterday was only the beginning - the ensuing negotiations and decisions that will determine our future will likely dominate the news for several years, unless, gh0d forbid, something even more catastrophic comes along to distract from all this. And with things the way they are in the world, my money is that Brexit will be the least of our worries - and I don't say that lightly.