EU referendum are you in or out

[gilesgoat]

Aw Tufty, I was hoping to get another bite from Giles with those two

*SNIP* Or maybe ask him about OpenGL on Win10

.. working on it ...

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Main course, not desert.. need to track down the video I saw it on

[gilesgoat]

"What 'ya talking abou' Willis ?"

Just jerking your chain. As has been said, you're (not your) too (not to) easy.

It has to be said, my experience with Italian coffee prices are based on the price of ristrettos and espressos in Valle d'Aosta (not, generally, in the most touristy spots, though), which seem to average around 1.50. Less than the resort bars where I'm based, and far better coffee, the french tend to overcook the grains so the coffee here is horribly bitter and requires sugar. At nearly 2.00 for a cup of crap, you're better off with Nescafe. In the local bars, same shit coffee but 1.30-1.40. The only really touristy coffee I've had in Italy was in Venice. Awful, and 2.50 for an espresso in a town that smells of shit.

OTOH, the Italians have La Capanna Regina Margherita, which serves the best hot chocolate in Europe.

OK not to sound like certain "nationalists" we could "kinda at least agree" that Valle D' Aosta it's a particular bit of Italy, 1.50 is "for a tourist location", normally in non-so-tourists-town should be 1 eur.

Italian coffee quite always "requires sugar" I personally find "lot more bitter or weird taste and LOT more UNdrinkable british attempt at coffee".

Venice .. "depends where you go and who you are" now Venice is "a super mega tourist trap" as a non-italian "don't expect to find the best" without paying it 40x times what it should be .. 2.50 for an espresso in Venice ? PPFFFFFFFTT .. try taking it in San Marco Square, it will cost you 7 euro, 10 or more if you sit ..

I never tried stuff like "Caffe' degli specchi" or "Cipriani" because 1. I don't think I was dressed good enough/looking good enough they let me in, 2. I don't have 500 eur in my pocket I can use to buy me a coffee ...

Strangely enough Venice is renomed for its "cafe's" .. or you end up in a real shit of place or they just seen "you are foreing" and you got "not the best stuff but the best price" ( for THEM not for you ).

Mind you I could too as well get "not the best treatment" because I am non-venetian ( non local ).

Best coffee honest prices, Trieste, there is the place to be.

"Smells of shit" ? ... what part of Venice you been ??? Or have you been during some really low tide ? (*)

Unfortunately I never been to France, never tried a French coffee, you made me curious, I wonder how I'd feel it, I can vouch that Portugal if you ask for "cafe' curto" you get a really good espresso

(*) have you ever been in any sea resort/etc. VERY CLOSE to the not-so-open-sea in certain places of meditarranean coast where comes low tide and you better be miles away from the sea or all your breakfast/lunch/dinner will come out ? .. not to mention the mosquitoes ..

Ah the smell of nature at the low tide .. BLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEUUUUUURGH !!!! ...

Ah the sunset at the sea ... AAAAAAAAAAARGH AARRAARARRAGH GAZILLION OF MOSQUITEOES AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH !!!

"Final blow", happened to me in Grado in a camping, "seems normal" .. cicadas .. ALL OVER THE PLACE .. worse than being in a place with heavvy machinery going at 150 db .. thousands of them in the trees .. ZzZZzzzZZZzZZZZZzzzzZZzzZZZz .. all .. the damned .. night .. long ....

Italy is full of surprises ..

[PFVA]

I can testify that Giles is most likely right about the coffee in Trieste.The coffee around the world going to Italy and even other European areas such as Austria, enters thru the harbour of Trieste. I only know that because my dad worked in coffee export most of his life (and that is the only reason why i have have heard of Trieste since i was very young).

Giles,
I read something written by someone from here living in the UK that you may understand. The guy said that when he hears about Brexit he feels like leaving, when he hears about what's going on here he feels like not leaving the UK.

[Cloudane]

I do (honestly) like pizza with pineapple. Don’t understand what the problem is with it? I note that in actual Italian pizza awards - one year the winner was a fruit pizza. Seriously, no wind up. I haven’t been able to find it again, but it was officially pizza of the year *in Italy*. Will try and find later..

Pineapple is great on pizza. In fact one of my favourites is pineapple and jalapeño. Fite me.

[Harlequin]

I do (honestly) like pizza with pineapple. Don’t understand what the problem is with it? I note that in actual Italian pizza awards - one year the winner was a fruit pizza. Seriously, no wind up. I haven’t been able to find it again, but it was officially pizza of the year *in Italy*. Will try and find later..

Pineapple is great on pizza. In fact one of my favourites is pineapple and jalapeño. Fite me.

Is that on proper Italian-style wood fired pizzas or US-style puffy, cheesy ones?

[KlaxonCow]

I do (honestly) like pizza with pineapple. Don’t understand what the problem is with it?

Basically, the supposed problem with it is the sweet / savoury combo.

It breaks the unwritten "savoury first, sweet second - and never the twain shall meet" rule, which is why dessert should follow the meal.

It's putting sweet fruit - pineapple - on a savoury dish - the pizza.

Personally, I have no issues with this and some dishes are deliberately about creating such combos - e.g. "sweet and sour chicken" - and, heck, if you think about it, the reason for putting milk and sugar into a cup of tea is to combat the bitter tannins of the brew.

I'm okay with a pineapple pizza myself. But this is the underlying logic of those who claim there is a problem.

I guess it's just a subjective thing. Some people can't stand mixing the major taste groups, others give no shits - so long as the combo works.

[VNVObit]

I do (honestly) like pizza with pineapple. Don’t understand what the problem is with it?

Basically, the supposed problem with it is the sweet / savoury combo.

It breaks the unwritten "savoury first, sweet second - and never the twain shall meet" rule, which is why dessert should follow the meal.

It's putting sweet fruit - pineapple - on a savoury dish - the pizza.

Personally, I have no issues with this and some dishes are deliberately about creating such combos - e.g. "sweet and sour chicken" - and, heck, if you think about it, the reason for putting milk and sugar into a cup of tea is to combat the bitter tannins of the brew.

I'm okay with a pineapple pizza myself. But this is the underlying logic of those who claim there is a problem.

I guess it's just a subjective thing. Some people can't stand mixing the major taste groups, others give no shits - so long as the combo works.

Odd as humans tend to find sweet and salt combinations tasty (source Rick Stein on why kebabs work as post pub food - salt in meat and sweetness in sauce )


I don’t mind pineapple on pizza (with ham)
Apple sauce and pork would be another example

[KlaxonCow]

Well, the "savoury before sweet" thing is a Western tradition.

Note that of the examples we've given - sweet and sour chicken, kebabs - these originally come from non-Western cultures where no such "unwritten rule" ever existed.

(Indeed, even the "ham and pineapple pizza" is, of course, popularly known as "the Hawaiian". So a touch of Polynesian culture sneaking its way in to sweeten the Italian dish, as they have no cultural prohibitions to drop a sweet pineapple on anything they bloody well like?)

I have no idea why the West ever developed this tradition in the first place, mind you - and a quick Google search doesn't really enlighten me of any clear obvious reasons - but it is a thing. Or, perhaps, maybe we should say "was a thing", because I think, with the influences of world food, no-one below a certain age gives any shits to maintain this inexplicable rule anymore, and curries and kebabs and other foreign treats have taken over the popular Zeitgeist.

[gilesgoat]

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Anyway let's go back to the original thread ...

Pizza .. pineapple .. ham ? ... you can FORGET all this after Brexit !

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[Cloudane]

I do (honestly) like pizza with pineapple. Don’t understand what the problem is with it? I note that in actual Italian pizza awards - one year the winner was a fruit pizza. Seriously, no wind up. I haven’t been able to find it again, but it was officially pizza of the year *in Italy*. Will try and find later..

Pineapple is great on pizza. In fact one of my favourites is pineapple and jalapeño. Fite me.

Is that on proper Italian-style wood fired pizzas or US-style puffy, cheesy ones?

Generally the latter

Also not the slightest bit bothered about the artificial cultural requirement to have sweet stuff after savoury

[Rhythm]

I have no idea why the West ever developed this tradition in the first place, mind you - and a quick Google search doesn't really enlighten me of any clear obvious reasons - but it is a thing. Or, perhaps, maybe we should say "was a thing", because I think, with the influences of world food, no-one below a certain age gives any shits to maintain this inexplicable rule anymore, and curries and kebabs and other foreign treats have taken over the popular Zeitgeist.

Always a little baffled by folks who claim that sweet and savoury don't go. Have they never had ketchup? Chutney? Apple sauce?

[gribbles]

I'll just leave this here...

[Mayhem]

Hawaiian Pizza was supposedly invented in Germany anyhow...! Or Canada, depending on who you believe. The missus loves it but I’m definitely in the “no pineapple on pizza” group heh... I love pineapple, just not on pizza. File under those who have American style pancakes with “bacon” and “maple syrup” as well.

(Quotes as American bacon is more fat than meat, and a lot of maple syrup is just other glucose products flavoured with maple syrup)

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If we're honest, tomato is a fruit - a fruit that is applied to many pizza and the San Marzanos is rather sweet.

One could substitute a San Marzano based topping for a sauce based on mashed pineapple.