EU referendum are you in or out

[phattslagg]

Hmm. Anyone else getting Saint Sandy vibes?

[tufty]

The west is superior in most respects, eg. science, democracy, capitalism. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?

Obvious troll is obvious. 2/10 must try harder.

[gribbles]

I made this silly little throwaway thing for another place.

I'll just leave it here...

https://choon.co/tracks/0g9o9ropr5r/dnftt/

[carolen]

I made this silly little throwaway thing for another place.

I'll just leave it here...

https://choon.co/tracks/0g9o9ropr5r/dnftt/

Happy choon made my day thanks!

[tufty]

Nice choon.

Meanwhile, Corbyn's later to May is nothing more than political jockeying and doesn't even help unite Labour. 48 days, tick, tock, tick, tock.

[gilesgoat]

Nice choon.

Meanwhile, Corbyn's later to May is nothing more than political jockeying and doesn't even help unite Labour. 48 days, tick, tock, tick, tock.

There are many small documentaries like this around, the message is the same :



Fundamentally there are abounr 900,000 britons living in EU and approx 300,000 of them living in Spain.

UK embassy/government seems to say "it does not depend about us, it's the Spanish government that should decide what to do".

The Spanish government so far seems to be totally silent waiting for the outcome of Brexit first.

In short : the could loose everything they have in Spain.

[RiK]

Oh Giles, your to easy.

His too easy what?

[merman]

Nice choon.

Meanwhile, Corbyn's later to May is nothing more than political jockeying and doesn't even help unite Labour. 48 days, tick, tock, tick, tock.

And yet... The EU was widely more accepting of Corbyn's compromise than Maybe's latest "change the Withdrawal Agreement I came up with so I can get it through" offer.

The only sane thing now is to apply for an extension or withdraw Article 50 until we are ready.


I mean, who could have foretold that Seaborne Freight - the ferry company that had never run any ferries, with its terms and conditions cribbed from a business agreement for delivering pizzas - would have its post-Brexit contract taken away? Surely we have a competent Secretary of State for Transport who knows that the port of Ramsgate is not ready for a daily ferry service?

Oh wait, it's Failing Grayling in that role.

[tufty]

The only sane thing now is to apply for an extension or withdraw Article 50 until we are ready.

But that is quite clearly not going to happen.

We have no deal. May will not rule out a No Deal Brexit. She *has* ruled out a people's vote, let alone asking for an extension of, or cancelling, Article 50. She's running down the clock. Corbyn has visibly *not* pushed for a people's vote, an extension, or cancellation of Article 50. All he's said is that May should remove some of her artificial red lines - that doesn't matter a jot because May won't do that, she's playing the "it's all Europe's fault" card and changing her red lines would put all the blame back on her and her pack of cockends, and even if she did, the EU have stated very clearly that there will be no more negotiations.

If Corbyn had pushed for a people's vote, an extension or cancellation of Article 50, he probably would have enough cross-party support to oust the fucking Tories tomorrow on a mandate of - well, I'm getting tired of typing it, so PV,EOCOA50. What he's actually done is lay down some more "I was against a crash out brexit, it's all that hollow hag's fault for not accepting reality" groundwork for a post-no-deal-brexit grab of government. And even if by some vanishingly unlikely collision of circumstances May *were* to back off some of her red lines, Corbyn gets to look like the adult in the room. Instead of another infant convincing May, having shat on the sofa, to wipe her arse on the curtains rather than the carpet.

PV,EOCOA50 isn't going to happen. There will be a no deal Brexit on March 29th.

[(o)(o)]

Corbyn has visibly *not* pushed for a people's vote, an extension, or cancellation of Article 50. <trim>

If Corbyn had pushed for a people's vote, an extension or cancellation of Article 50, he probably would have enough cross-party support

He did push for that - the Cooper amendment was whipped:



He cannot simply demand cancelling Article 50, as leave voters outnumber remainers in Labour marginals. The policy Corbyn maintains - is the one voted for by members at the Labour conference.

TBH I think the "soft Norway style" deal Labour have proposed is a fair mediation between the remain and leave camps - and it's a proposal that has been well received by the EU compared to May's which is a dead duck. Cancelling Article 50 could ostensibly lead to widespread riots and destroy Labour, so the Labour policy is to return to the public only if they fail to reach that deal.

You have a better suggestion?

[Dio]

Seems to me that both are fairly happy to take no deal - May will blame the EU for the disaster, Corbyn will blame May for it.

I don't think in either case it's the preferred scenario, May still thinks a last minute cave might be on the cards, but they don't really care about the alternative enough to actually do something about it.

Parliament is still the remaining wild card here though. Although we could be in the unprecedented comedy situation of MPs rebelling for six different reasons against both main party leaders.

[Dio]

He cannot simply demand cancelling Article 50, as leave voters outnumber remainers in Labour marginals.

But Labour voters are > 60% remain, and Labour members are > 80%.

[(o)(o)]

Seems to me that both are fairly happy to take no deal

Personality politics - this only really applies to the Tories as their members have no effective say in policymaking. It's an MSM tactic to focus on Corbyn's personal views but they really are a side issue. That said, Corbyn has repeatedly said no deal would be a disaster, so where are you getting your information from?

[See the clip above for just one example.]

Seems to me that both are fairly happy to take no deal

Now compare with May :

[(o)(o)]

He cannot simply demand cancelling Article 50, as leave voters outnumber remainers in Labour marginals.

But Labour voters are > 60% remain, and Labour members are > 80%.

Not in the marginal seats.

[Dio]

It's an MSM tactic to focus on Corbyn's personal views but they really are a side issue.

MSM?