EU referendum are you in or out

[Dio]

Corbyn may not be the best leader of the opposition, but he’s the best we’ve got, and he’s been getting a lot better at it, recently.

My perception has been the opposite. I thought after the last GE he held his own for a while, but he's looked less and less effective the longer this mess has gone on.

[gilesgoat]

Corbyn may not be the best leader of the opposition, but he’s the best we’ve got, and he’s been getting a lot better at it, recently.

My perception has been the opposite. I thought after the last GE he held his own for a while, but he's looked less and less effective the longer this mess has gone on.

[zip accident]

... but who does believe socialism can be made popular, if it's done really well.

Depending on what you mean by socialism, not me.

Marx was a well meaning fool, and most current socialism is based on his nonsense.

This is a universe (not just a world, but galaxies by the billion) where competion is a thing. Despite that, cooperation does make sense in many circumstances. However, we can't rely on "one true leader" because there will always be pressures for a leader to put themselves ahead of their followers in their priorities, there's nothing wrong with that so long as the system allows for that and makes sure there are "checks and balances" in place to make it possible for a leader to be okay without having to sacrifice themselves to the publics good.

This current over-enrichment of the well off will end in tears for sure, but that will also end in tears if Marx is still the standard, because that's unworkable "one for all" nonsense that doesn't allow for the "and all for one" half of the quote.

You were very lucky not to see the TV series that was the theme tune too (presuming they didn't translate it into Italian).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_Up_(TV_series)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon-Erik_Hexum

There was a woman, and a bodybuilder. They changed actors after the first one shot himself with a blank, and died.

[Cloudane]

Forcing May to seek an extension to avoid any no deal Brexit wins by 1 vote!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47809717

This is of course, a clear and decisive majority. If they can call it one, so can everyone else

[Absolute_Zero]

^ hopefully you're more relaxed... though it could be filibustered in the Lords.

According to Sky's Political Correspondent (Tamara Cohen), May's current manoeuvrers result from the threat of a break up of the UK given a no-deal exit. I've bleated thusly since last year.

I don't get why the ERG and their supporters haven't been confronted with this obvious outcome. Why wouldn't it happen or why don't you care? Traitors LOL

Maybe that's what she did at the last Cabinet meeting... I expected immediate resignations, but none came.

[Barney]

If the UK breaks up and Wales leave, I'm moving there post-haste. I love the place and have family there. No brainer.

[phattslagg]

^ hopefully you're more relaxed... though it could be filibustered in the Lords.

The Lords are pretty pro-Remain, aren’t they? I’d be surprised if they didn’t wave it through.

[Absolute_Zero]

^ hopefully you're more relaxed... though it could be filibustered in the Lords.

The Lords are pretty pro-Remain, aren’t they? I’d be surprised if they didn’t wave it through.

Unlike the Commons there's no guillotine in the Lords. A few opponents of the Bill simply need to talk it out through the night to keep it off the books until it's too late to be of use.

[Cloudane]

^ hopefully you're more relaxed... though it could be filibustered in the Lords.

Indeed, or vetoed by France, depending on whether Macron continues bluffing. Things are still not quite certain yet

[phattslagg]

Yeah, apparently Thatcher’s old cabinet are all filibustering for Brexit.

[merman]

Theresa Maybe strikes again!

"We want an extension to the extension, although if we break the deadlock we might leave sooner..."

What's hilarious is that she has clearly had to concede preparations for the European Parliament elections as a bargaining chip to keep Cabinet Remainers on her side. And it's great that EU President Donald Tusk is offering a flexible extension of up to a year anyway.

[Rhythm]

Theresa Maybe strikes again!

"We want an extension to the extension, although if we break the deadlock we might leave sooner..."

What's hilarious is that she has clearly had to concede preparations for the European Parliament elections as a bargaining chip to keep Cabinet Remainers on her side. And it's great that EU President Donald Tusk is offering a flexible extension of up to a year anyway.

But France has just said "not without a fucking good reason". Lots more resistance this time. Starting to feel like they're going to veto it unless she puts options back up in front of the people.

[OX mkII]

Democracy is dead, death to the owl.

[zip accident]

Democracy is dead, death to the owl.

Yes, but are we free?

Democracy is a tool for the maintenance of freedom.

Which owl? I don't get the connection.

[Absolute_Zero]

Democracy is dead, death to the owl.

Yes, but are we free?

Democracy is a tool for the maintenance of freedom.

Which owl? I don't get the connection.

Perhaps.
Particularly.
*shrug*