EU referendum are you in or out

[Cloudane]

You are correct. The trouble is that if the only people running for office espousing this correct view are arseholes like Carl Benjamin then we have a massive problem.

Indeed. This is the thing with the stupid polarised politics we have now, two sides yelling at each other and you can't share the values of one side while being on the other. Like free speech.... bloody important... but only championed these days by far-right twats wanting to legitimise fascism and hate speech, and sneered at by the left as "muh freeze peach" (yeah I did that once too, it was dumb)

[KlaxonCow]

You are correct. The trouble is that if the only people running for office espousing this correct view are arseholes like Carl Benjamin then we have a massive problem.

Totally. Sargon's a knob.

[tufty]

Like free speech.... bloody important... but only championed these days by far-right twats

The far right twats don't want free speech any more than the morons on the left. Both sides only want *their* speech to be allowed. The only difference is that one side are coming from a point where their speech is proscribed.

[merman]

Boris continuing to lie about the EU...

And of course when Parliament exercises the sovereignty it always had, the Brexiteers call it "undemocratic".

[gilesgoat]

Boris continuing to lie about the EU...

And of course when Parliament exercises the sovereignty it always had, the Brexiteers call it "undemocratic".

I lost confidence in any form of government/politics ...

Here, in Italy, everywhere ... it appears we are surrounded by chaos and total lack of true principles .. but it's not just "the politicians" there's a lot in "the people" too ..

I can't see any "bright future", this is going to be even worse than in those sci-fi novels, the future is really bleak.

Goat knows what's going to happen to "U"K when the Queen is gone, the last and only true "strong figure", I can see everything plummeting into chaos ...

All I can think of is "damage control" and "avoid the worst if you can" , it's not "living" is "surviving" ( hell ) ...

[VNVObit]

Boris continuing to lie .

FTFY

what gets me is how the Tories defend it as if it doesn't really matter

[PFVA]

I lost confidence in any form of government/politics ...

Here, in Italy, everywhere ... it appears we are surrounded by chaos and total lack of true principles .. but it's not just "the politicians" there's a lot in "the people" too ..

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Often i have thought that too.

[F-ZeroOne]

Will there be life on Mars bars after Brexit though?

https://twitter.com/ChrisChilton64/stat ... 6139543554

[PFVA]

Congratulations on your new PM.

Our news and comentators keep enphasizing and explaining to the masses that in spite of some similarities Boris is more intelligent and better educated than Trump.

[gilesgoat]

Congratulations on your new PM.

Our news and comentators keep enphasizing and explaining to the masses that in spite of some similarities Boris is more intelligent and better educated than Trump.

I have this theory, "we are in the times of 'shittism' ".

What is that ?

It's a thing that goes like this : "Think at the shittest thing that could happen and that WILL happen".

It's like "sillogism + pessimism" or "consequences in a cynic way" as for example :

"What the shittest can happen ?" -> Boris Johnson as PM

Followed by , following the same logic of consequences:

1. Boris Johnson PM

2. Brexit without deal, no deal at 31th

3. Civil unrest

4. More explosions cause IRA

5. Royal family moved out of UK "in a safe location"

6. Terrible deals with anyone else ( especially EU ), garbage from USA

7. More civil unrest in UK

8. Boris asks USA army to help to keep UK "under control and energized"

9. Democracy gets totally killed, Boris invokes "full powers" to keep situation "under control".

10. Boris totalitarianism

We'll see at what point of the "shittism scale" we will arrive .. ...

[Little stoned kiwi]

Perhaps you'll all be able to apply for refugee status in the EU after Brexit.

[KlaxonCow]

It seems the countdown to the end of the UK has begun.

The Mayor of Belfast has called on the Irish government to prepare and make plans for a possible referendum on Irish reunification:

https://www.thejournal.ie/border-poll-b ... 2-Jul2019/

(And an interesting concession towards Irish unity has been proposed: That a united Ireland rejoins the Commonwealth, so that some ties to Britain remain, but in a political context that the whole of Ireland could potentially accept.)

If it comes to October and BoJo forces a "no deal" Brexit, then Scotland has said it'll push for an independence vote. As BoJo becomes Prime Minster, then talk of Irish Reunification starts being proposed seriously.

BoJo's "do or die" could well mean "die" for the UK as a union. As a suicidal catastrophic exit will prompt those who have the capability of divorcing Westminster's insanity to very seriously consider doing so, pronto - because while Captain Boris might be happy to unnecessarily go down with his Brexit ship, purely for symbolism, that's very much not the feeling that any rational person typically shares.

[Dio]

The next step is a GE with no deal at the core of the Tory manifesto, because Boris can't force no deal through without a majority of at least 30. He persuades Farage to stand down based on the solid promise of no deal, and if you add together the polling numbers for those two parties vs Labour's pathetic showing you get a 100+ majority landslide.

[gilesgoat]

*SNIP* that's very much not the feeling that any rational person typically shares.

If we'd be dealing with rational persons we would not be here at all ...

"Do you think it's air what you are breathing ?"

Rationality is out the window since long, if things would be rational you'd have a government/parties that work.

[gilesgoat]

Perhaps you'll all be able to apply for refugee status in the EU after Brexit.

Thing is I'll still be an EU Citizen anywhere else in EU ...

Now considering that Ireland is going to be shit, Scotland too and such we are planning to move sheep and all to Brazil, for the moment just in theory, if the situation really falls could be "less theory".