EU referendum are you in or out

[merman]

So the 30 days to submit new proposals on the Irish border is up.

The Government has apparently sent the EU a reworded Withdrawal Agreement without the backstop, or any significant new proposals on what will replace it.

Brexit Secretary Steven Barclay claims they "need another year" to come up with them.

[Cloudane]

It gets to a point where you wonder which does more damage, a no deal brexit or kicking the can for yet another year. Of course, the comment could well be designed to make remainers and pro-deal brexiteers start thinking that...

[Barney]

IIRC, leaving after January the 1st will cost Rees-Mogg an absolute fortune in taxes. And probably others too.

[merman]

IIRC, leaving after January the 1st will cost Rees-Mogg an absolute fortune in taxes. And probably others too.

It's true that new EU tax-avoidance laws start in January 2020.
Britain was one of the countries involved in drafting them.

But as the Panama Papers proved, the rich like Rees-Mogg will just find somewhere else to stash their cash and avoid paying tax.

Meanwhile the ordinary people will be hounded over a few quid or a simple mistake on their tax form.

What's more galling is the huge "shorting" of the pound. If it crashes after Brexit, toads like Rees-Mogg stand to earn even more they can squirrel away...

[KlaxonCow]

Well, the shit has hit the fan and further down the rabbit hole we go.

Because the courts have ruled - unanimously - that Boris's prorogation was unlawful and Bercow, vindicated for saying so, is calling for the immediate restoration of the Commons (as the court's ruling means that Parliament is NOT prorogued, as Boris's action was "void, unlawful and of no effect").

Plus there's quite a few voices calling for Boris to resign on the back of this.

(Even Farage is asking for Dominic Cumming's head for fucking up so badly with this half-arsed plan - which risks Brexit and he likely realises that if someone has to pay the price for this cock-up, then he's pushing for Cummings, so that Boris stays there, as if "do or die" Boris is gone, there's no guarantees as to who the Tories replace him with, or what their Brexit stance might be. So he might be strategising "dump the adviser, so Boris can stay to push Brexit by Halloween".)

Brexit - the gift that keeps on giving.

[Deckard]

And Boris - does no one Resign for anything these days?

[VNVObit]

Well, the shit has hit the fan and further down the rabbit hole we go.

Because the courts have ruled - unanimously - that Boris's prorogation was unlawful and Bercow, vindicated for saying so, is calling for the immediate restoration of the Commons (as the court's ruling means that Parliament is NOT prorogued, as Boris's action was "void, unlawful and of no effect").

Plus there's quite a few voices calling for Boris to resign on the back of this.

(Even Farage is asking for Dominic Cumming's head for fucking up so badly with this half-arsed plan - which risks Brexit and he likely realises that if someone has to pay the price for this cock-up, then he's pushing for Cummings, so that Boris stays there, as if "do or die" Boris is gone, there's no guarantees as to who the Tories replace him with, or what their Brexit stance might be. So he might be strategising "dump the adviser, so Boris can stay to push Brexit by Halloween".)

Brexit - the gift that keeps on giving.

Farage and Cummings have a strong dislike for each other
Interesting that the Brexit Party are being disciplined and not commenting on the Judiciary, just accepting the judgement, while the Tories are are making veiled and unveiled attacks.

And Boris - does no one Resign for anything these days?

Not sure Boris has ever resigned for any of his misdeeds just tended to be sacked

[merman]

So, Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson loses again. 11-0. A unanimous decision by the Supreme Court that he deceived the Queen over his reasons for proroguing Parliament.

Apparently he will "respect the decision" but "strongly disagrees with it."


Well, I strongly disagree with the Eton-educated tosspot continuing to be Prime Minister.
Resign, you mop headed goon.

[Deckard]

So not really a lot of wiggle room for him with a unanimous verdict...going to love to see how the Times spin this story tomorrow as Boris seems to be their hero of late...

[VNVObit]

So not really a lot of wiggle room for him with a unanimous verdict...going to love to see how the Times spin this story tomorrow as Boris seems to be their hero of late...

Tim Shipman
@ShippersUnbound
Well that is the most outrageous legal land grab in our history/a welcome reassertion of parliamentary power. Delete according to taste

and

Tim Shipman
@ShippersUnbound
Regardless of the final ruling the judges have already set us on the path to an American style Supreme Court. In future appointments will become highly politicised

Some tweets from Tim Shipman are no doubt a precursor to their coverage tomorrow

[Dio]

That argument is hard to hold because it's 11-0. If it had been a split decision, it would have been a much easier argument to make.

Let's note this is already a panel mostly made up of elderly establishment white men educated at private schools and Oxbridge. It seems to me it would be unlikely to be easy to find a more naturally 'conservative' panel. Most people expected a split decision, but the fact is the government massively overplayed its hand and got shredded for it.

[(o)(o)]

We're into some dark territory here.

Tory party are killing Britons (estimated 200k dead by 2020 - we've already exceeded official casualty counts in Iraq war 109,032).. and Yemen. More civilians are on brink of dying (or have died) than during the holocaust. We are complicit in that. We supplied not just armaments but intelligence. Let that sink in! When you see Assad and other dictators in interview, they can seem mild mannered. Too many (especially older folk) are being fooled into believing Alexander "I want to be World King" (age 8,) Johnson is a charismatic buffoon. He is in my opinion a very dangerous man.

Good to see him hoisted by his own petard, his options are running out now is he going to call VONC in himself??

Establishment hysteria over Corbyn is near deafening. About 90% of those who state ' I couldn't possibly vote for Labour ' who I ask why, can't cite a policy or provide a single piece of evidence to explain why. Just regurgitated soundbites 'he's unelectable', 'supports terrorists', 'communist', 'marxist' etc.. McDonnells' agenda was fucking ace. Sectoral collective bargaining doesn't raise an eyebrow in Germany!

We shall see how successful the establishment are in disrupting democracy very soon. They are frantically pushing the memes down everyones throats now, and the Swinson creature seemingly determined to cause sabotage and keeping the Tories in power for another 5 years.

[Dio]

What, the kind of sabotage being a more coherent policy position than Labour on the most important issue of the day? KILL THE EVIL WOMAN!

[KlaxonCow]

Good to see him hoisted by his own petard

And here he is, in said hoisted position:

[(o)(o)]

What, the kind of sabotage being a more coherent policy position than Labour on the most important issue of the day? KILL THE EVIL WOMAN!

Rather an extreme comment? I hope we are not a "radicalised" remainer!!

What is coherent about sticking the V's up to 17m people and creating a division that will run and run in perpetuity?

What is coherent about taking away votes from the only Party with a viable chance of defeating the Tories (hence enabling a 'Tory Brexit')?

The LibDems have got approximately nil chance of achieving a majority in GE. Let's say they did the unimaginable and achieved a majority and revoked A50 just like that. I'd put money on that resulting in bloody battles on the streets with no end in sight!

Then there's the simple matter of :

Her voting record.
Lack of MPs.
Including discredited careerist "change UK" rogues in the ranks.
A Tory-enabling track record. (Without the LibDems you wouldn't have Brexit!!! Swinson voted for the referendum btw.)
Austerity apologists.
No domestic policy that anyone can remember.
The whole business of lying last time.

Swinson might not be evil, but she sure comes across as bitter and nasty. Compare and constrast to Corbyn's humanist approach.

The best way to remain in the EU is by voting tactically against the Tories and for Labour in marginal seats.

Labour policy is clear -

Negotiate the Labour style Brexit. The EU have been receptive to this.
Present this and remain to a public vote.

How is this not utterly straightforward?