EU referendum are you in or out

[tufty]

So the ex-employees of Thomas Cook - a travel agent - are going to become the construction workers for these hospitals?

Don't be a twat, that would be stupid. We've already got lots of unskilled labour.

The immigrant workers coming in for those infrastructure projects, the ones whose skills are desperately needed, are doctors and nurses. A bit of cross-training is all that's needed to go from selling package holidays in Crete to doing renal biopsies.

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Let's face it.

The Tories are a Death Cult.

[Barney]

Let's face it.

The Tories are a Death Cult.

I'm sure they'd like to be, but it seems they're in trouble. They have elected as their leader... something else, something they've not seen in their ranks before.

He has no regard for the consequences of his actions, and although I'm obviously speculating here, I don't think that running the party (or indeed the country) is his end-goal. There's some threats that he may be removed by the Queen herself if he fails to seek an extension, I see, and I'm not sure that is at all worrying for him. Losing his slim minority and acquiring a huge minority was not a problem, nor was kicking out plenty of members of his party. He cared not one whit that his actions regarding parliament were unlawful. He has made very little tangible efforts to secure a deal. Nor is calling a general election of any worry to him.

And the opposition parties keep bringing threat after threat (and short of calling that GE, they've acted on pretty much all of them), thinking that he's in this to be the PM, to lead the country and his party. I think they're wrong.

His goal is to leave without a deal, and do it on Oct 31st. And I think he will. What his reasons for this are, I don't know for certain.

[zip accident]

I'll say it again, it's a game of pass the parcel, and the aim is not to be the one running a government in the 2 to five years after Brexit. The other parcel to dodge is being in charge when Brexit is aborted, but that one isn't quite as bad as the first. Keeping the deadlock rolling is good, calling an election you are sure to lose is good, but saying you want to lose is bad.

It seems unlikely, and it's not what they're saying, but if you watch what they're actually doing, that's what's going on.

[Rhythm]

More nonsense this morning. No "border checks" in NI but instead a ring of checkpoints up to 10 miles from the border itself. So patently ridiculous but enough for Boris and crew to suggest "well we're *obviously* not going to propose something so stupid but look, we're trying"

Dead cats everywhere whilst they try and wait this out.

[Ollie]

His goal is to leave without a deal, and do it on Oct 31st. And I think he will. What his reasons for this are, I don't know for certain.

To create chaos and calamity, such that those who have positioned themselves to profit from chaos and calamity may do so.

[Barney]

His goal is to leave without a deal, and do it on Oct 31st. And I think he will. What his reasons for this are, I don't know for certain.

To create chaos and calamity, such that those who have positioned themselves to profit from chaos and calamity may do so.

I suspect you're right. What could possibly compensate someone for the loss of their job, being asked to step aside by the Queen herself, being blamed for the biggest calamity this country has seen in living memory?

Why, a veritable shitload of cash!

I am paid in Euros, because I contract to a European company. When I started, my take-home pay was about 60% of what I am earning now because every time the govt. fucks something up the pound creeps closer to parity with the Euro.

So supposing, a few years ago, someone invested heavily in Euros... The best possible outcome for them would be to cash in when the pound plummets. And the best way to make absolutely certain of that is to ensure we crash out with no deal in the worst possible way. Of course, that's just how I would do it in my current position - I'm sure there are lots of other ways to benefit from everyone else's misery.

[Harlequin]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... it-inquiry

On a different note, one thing I have found curious among recent proceedings in the House has been Conservative members referring to now Independent ex-members as "my friend" or even "my honourable friend", when those sacked members are no longer "friends" in the parliamentary sense let alone "honourable" in the sense of being Privy Councillors. I am surprised that Bercow has not corrected them.

[Barney]

Saw this on Twitter, so usual rules apply. If I do find anything about this other than an image, I'll post it but I'm pretty busy at work right now:

[Harlequin]

Saw this on Twitter, so usual rules apply. If I do find anything about this other than an image, I'll post it but I'm pretty busy at work right now:
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Here is the article: https://bylinetimes.com/2019/09/11/brex ... ve-backers.

Also: Short-selling: can hedge funds make a fortune from no-deal Brexit?

[merman]

More nonsense this morning. No "border checks" in NI but instead a ring of checkpoints up to 10 miles from the border itself. So patently ridiculous but enough for Boris and crew to suggest "well we're *obviously* not going to propose something so stupid but look, we're trying"

Dead cats everywhere whilst they try and wait this out.

Even more ridiculous is the suggestion the customs checks could be at the source and/or destination of the goods.

We don't have enough Customs/border staff now. The next likely candidate would be Trading Standards, whose numbers have been heavily reduced by years of council cutbacks.

[Ollie]

On a different note, one thing I have found curious among recent proceedings in the House has been Conservative members referring to now Independent ex-members as "my friend" or even "my honourable friend", when those sacked members are no longer "friends" in the parliamentary sense let alone "honourable" in the sense of being Privy Councillors. I am surprised that Bercow has not corrected them.

I thought all MPs were "Honourable," and Privy Counsellors were "Right Honourable." Have I got it wrong?

[tufty]

Yeah, that's nothing new. "My honorable friend" almost always means "that insufferable cunt on the opposing benches who won't shut his fucking trap"

[Baggypants]

This ‘pleb’

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... e-17013687

[Cloudane]

I thought the dick who won't shut up opposite was "the honourable member" (which is how I remember it) or honourable lady/gentleman, whilst anyone on the same side was "my honourable friend"? But it seems that sometimes the opposition are 'friends' now which is unusual but I suppose the speaker wouldn't object to increased respect across the aisle especially after some of the behaviour they've been exhibiting lately.