EU referendum are you in or out

[zip accident]

Genuine question.

What makes everyone think the EU is actually doing ok?

The entire non-Russian Warsaw Pact joined, instead of making up their own group.

[gilesgoat]

Genuine question.

What makes everyone think the EU is actually doing ok?

Maybe it's not doing "super good" BUT without it .. who's ever going to at least try to "moderate" the Toupee and Putin and China ?

At least in principles the idea of EU is good.

Want to be in a society where if you don't have a credit card with a quite filled bank account you are left dying on the streets ?

Or where any "el weirdo" of legal age can go in a shop and buy a gun and shoot your child because it was making noise because he can ?

Or find out that your old granny been made into Soilent Green because it was profiteable ?

[PFVA]

Genuine question.

What makes everyone think the EU is actually doing ok?

For those inside it and not planning to exit it maybe a question of not being better outside it.

[Whiteball]

Thanks for the replies.
Its sometimes hard to extract (for me anyway) peoples real feelings on a 'why' when they are just debating points back and forth or just responding to (or opposing) certain ideas or questions.

[Little stoned kiwi]

Without being a member of the EU the UK will lose influence within the EU, such as supporting Turkey's application.

[Orava]

European immigrates are generally young and healthy and not taking much resources with the NHS or other services. So the anti-EU bollocks is just pure racist gammon stuff.

[Rubisco]

European immigrates are generally young and healthy and not taking much resources with the NHS or other services. So the anti-EU bollocks is just pure racist gammon stuff.

Why didn't the 17.4 million racists vote BNP?

[tufty]

European immigrates are generally young and healthy and not taking much resources with the NHS or other services. So the anti-EU bollocks is just pure racist gammon stuff.

Why didn't the 17.4 million racists vote BNP?

That's a more complex question than the facile comeback it appears to be.

Mainly, in order to vote BNP as opposed to another more "respectable" party pushing thinly veiled xenophobia, one would have to embrace the fact that one is, in fact, voting on purely racist terms, and to hell with the rest. Most of the pro-Brexit lot I've personally come across vehemently deny being racist, but when pushed on their actual reasons for voting Brexit, eventually come out with some of the most racist bollocks you've ever heard. "I'm not a racist but…"

There's also the issue that the BNP don't put a candidate up in all constituencies (only 10 candidates in 2017), although if they had enough of a groundswell of support to avoid losing their deposits across the board, they probably could do so. Last time they fielded a large swathe of candidates was in 2010, and even then they only stood in half the country's constituencies.

But frankly, the question should be, why would any of the count's 17.4 million racists bother voting BNP when the Tories and the Brexit party provide a more palatable "racism lite"? Maybe not even so "lite" :

Spoiler: show

[Harlequin]

Without being a member of the EU the UK will lose influence within the EU, such as supporting Turkey's application.

Were we supporting the application of Turkey (made some decades ago)? The EU in general is not and any treaty of accession has to be ratified by all member states.

[snaff]

Without being a member of the EU the UK will lose influence within the EU, such as supporting Turkey's application.

Were we supporting the application of Turkey (made some decades ago)? The EU in general is not and any treaty of accession has to be ratified by all member states.

Cameron said it would join 25 years from now.

[tufty]

25 years from now? You're living in the future, man!

https://www.ft.com/content/de1efd42-200 ... 1e01fabc0c

probably not be ready to join the bloc “until the year 3000” on its current rate of progress.

[phattslagg]

Amazing how readily Brexiteers will quote Cameron when it suits their agenda:

Cameron: “If Leave wins, there’s a chance we’ll leave with no deal!”

Leave: “Project Fear!”

3 years later:

“We all knew we were voting for no deal, because Cameron said so!”

[(o)(o)]

https://twitter.com/jolyonmaugham/statu ... 79456?s=21

[Rhythm]

https://twitter.com/jolyonmaugham/status/1183269547308179456?s=21

Interesting. Wonder if that's why the "spartans", the extreme no-deal types, have started "supporting" Boris' deal proposals?

[Barney]

Justice department can "neither conform nor deny" that they're planning internment camps for immigrants (or whoever): https://twitter.com/tomwills/status/1181528753400401920

...because it might make the government look bad. No shit.

Elsewhere, the Justice department has been buying up land in Wales:

https://jacothenorth.net/blog/wales-wit ... strangers/

(You'll need to scroll or read a fair bit to get to the conclusion and its supporting evidence).