EU referendum are you in or out

[Absolute_Zero]

*double post*

[Absolute_Zero]

Christ. After pissing and moaning about Labour putting excessive conditions on the prospect of allowing Tories to call a general election, Tories are now playing the same game.

Amendment was made earlier today to allow MPs to raise conditions (Tories had locked this option out). 2 key changes raised are options to open GE voting to 16 & 17 year olds, and to EU nationals. Both look likely to pass, but both have been declared red lines by Tories and if they pass, the Tories are going to pull option of GE altogether

Children, the lot of them

The Tories will say they are wrecking amendments due to the impracticality of sorting out the changes to the electoral register in the time available. They are probably also against in principle and for the likely voting makeup of the additions.

If I understand correctly, it depends on whether Lindsay Hoyle accepts the amendments at the committee stage. I believe that if funds are required to enact said amendments then they would be ruled out of scope. We will see. *shrug*

[VNVObit]

In part Labour are their own worst enemy, not because of the infighting but their inability to play nicely with others.

Just yesterday Swinson was asked by a Labour MP in HoC if she would work with Labour.

SNP had already said they would.

Jo Swinson turned it down.

I notice from the wild predictions above - Brexit Party not even getting a mention, nor Swinson losing her seat. Hardly gives confidence in the analysis.

It was a tweet 280 characters wouldn’t be enough to cover all permutations
As for your point, event after horse has bolted - needed to play nice a few months ago
SNP will get Indy ref 2 from labour so less confrontational

[Absolute_Zero]

Only the Dec 9th amendment accepted... on we go.

Update: probable reason for 'out of scope' - it's an amendment to the FTPA which only refers to the date of an election, not the width/depth of its franchise.

[Rhythm]

Only the Dec 9th amendment accepted... on we go.

Yep. But it needs voting down. A GE will solve nothing. Tories need to accept they're not a majority government and start acting like it.

If Labour sign off on this then they're complicit in enabling the worst kind of Brexit

[Cloudane]

No Remainer would touch Lab or Tory given they are both "Leave" parties

I'm a Remainer and I would. Labour are not a "Leave" party per se, they're a "respect the first referendum but come at us again with a deal vs. remain confirmatory vote once they have a new deal sorted" party, and that has a good chance of ending up with a remain result. As much as I'd love to remain and hope we do vote that way in a second vote, the Lib Dem hardline approach of just yoinking A50 is a bit too authoritarian for my liking. Plus it's purely hypothetical anyway as it's essentially impossible for the Lib Dems to go from their current position to a majority in one GE. Plus they're Yellow Tories, and I'm not a single-issue voter who would vote for cunts just for their hardline revoke stance.

[Rhythm]

the Lib Dem hardline approach of just yoinking A50 is a bit too authoritarian for my liking.

Agreed, but at least their GE stance is a bit more honest than Labour.

Won't be voting for either TBH

[Rubisco]

2 key changes raised are options to open GE voting to 16 & 17 year olds, and to EU nationals.

I simply do not trust anyone who doesn't think their teenage self was a total twat so I propose an amendment that anyone over the age of 25 who can look back and say they honestly believe they should have had the vote themselves at 16 should have their right to vote taken away via sending them to the loony bin.

[Rubisco]

I love tits! Nothing sexist about that. Do you not? In fact LibDems had 11% females before they introduced AWS. Now they have 39% (I think). Still short of Labour's 45% they've held for donkeys.

And it's important to reiterate - 0% in the top job.

[zip accident]

The Labourish remains are the Greens.

[phattslagg]

No Remainer would touch Lab or Tory given they are both "Leave" parties

I'm a Remainer and I would. Labour are not a "Leave" party per se, they're a "respect the first referendum but come at us again with a deal vs. remain confirmatory vote once they have a new deal sorted" party, and that has a good chance of ending up with a remain result. As much as I'd love to remain and hope we do vote that way in a second vote, the Lib Dem hardline approach of just yoinking A50 is a bit too authoritarian for my liking. Plus it's purely hypothetical anyway as it's essentially impossible for the Lib Dems to go from their current position to a majority in one GE. Plus they're Yellow Tories, and I'm not a single-issue voter who would vote for cunts just for their hardline revoke stance.

This

[Rhythm]

It’s been passed. GE in December.

What a bunch of cunts.

[Cloudane]

Eh, bring it on. Better than watching the current government running down the clock over and over and repeatedly threatening to crash us out with no deal.

At the risk of being a bit mean, I sort of have this slight hope that given how the demographics fall, a lot of the old Tory Voting Brexiteer types will be holed up at home trying to stay warm and fending off the flu

A snap election backfired for May, hopefully it'll backfire spectacularly for Boris.

[Rhythm]

Eh, bring it on. Better than watching the current government running down the clock over and over and repeatedly threatening to crash us out with no deal.

At the risk of being a bit mean, I sort of have this slight hope that given how the demographics fall, a lot of the old Tory Voting Brexiteer types will be holed up at home trying to stay warm and fending off the flu

A snap election backfired for May, hopefully it'll backfire spectacularly for Boris.

Basing a whole GE, a whole 5 year term, on this one single issue is absolutely the worst outcome for the country. It’s utterly terrifying TBH

[Absolute_Zero]

I'm betting the only consensus to be found on Friday the 13th of December is that there is no consensus beyond a 2nd ref being the only way forward. Likely the *only* thing the EU will further extend for.

People should not forget the EU in all this. Were it not for proposal that emerged on Sunday you'd all be staring down the barrel of a November extension. How do you think that would have gone?