EU referendum are you in or out

[Dio]

Basing a whole GE, a whole 5 year term, on this one single issue is absolutely the worst outcome for the country. It’s utterly terrifying TBH

I've been saying for months the sensible thing to have done would be decouple the two by doing a referendum and a GE on the same day. No chance of that then.

[Absolute_Zero]

Basing a whole GE, a whole 5 year term, on this one single issue is absolutely the worst outcome for the country. It’s utterly terrifying TBH

I've been saying for months the sensible thing to have done would be decouple the two by doing a referendum and a GE on the same day. No chance of that then.

The Fixed Term Parliament Act is effectually moot. A precedent has been set that can be replicated anytime a majority can be mounted. Watch this space if my bet comes through.

[zip accident]

Basing a whole GE, a whole 5 year term, on this one single issue is absolutely the worst outcome for the country. It’s utterly terrifying TBH

I've been saying for months the sensible thing to have done would be decouple the two by doing a referendum and a GE on the same day. No chance of that then.

You'd trust es.g. Boris to implement a "remain" referendum result or the LibDems to implement Brexit?

IMO Brexit, or preferably not, is a bigger issue than who runs parliament for five years.

[Rhythm]

I still fail to see why a GE is needed other than to try and pass the hot potato.

Brexit is a specific question that needs a specific answer. A GE isn’t the answer to any part of it.

[phattslagg]

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https://tactical.vote/all

[gilesgoat]

If Tories are going to be in ( absolute ) power for another 5 years I'd then "officially declare" that "there's absolutely NO HOPE FOR BRITAIN"

I'll repeat it, if that would be a matter of "possibilities and choices" ( which isn't that much ) I'd be probably ( in theory more like it ) moving to another country ... but the problem is "WHAT OTHER country ?" .. EU is a "whole mess of various problems/instabilities all together" and the rest of the world does not look much better at all

Democracy seems to be failing all over the places in the sense "there's nothing really that much worth to vote for" and/or "you vote and still shit happens" people are confused/confusing, everything is confused/confusing/messy .. the .. worst of it is really "the future" you can't see where all is going .. were we are going ? ..

There's really no sense of any form of "happy stability" let alone the "nice future" .. it looks more and more like "apocalyptic scenario ahead" ...

[Absolute_Zero]

If Tories are going to be in ( absolute ) power for another 5 years I'd then "officially declare" that "there's absolutely NO HOPE FOR BRITAIN"

Won't happen, IMO... and there's no shortage of quietly sceptical Tory MPs.

He will lose seats to the SNP in Scotland.
He will lose seats in England to the LDs, principally the South West.
I can't see the DUP back in bed with Boris.

Unless they can come to an agreement [can't see it], NuKip will dilute the Boris vote where he hopes to pick up Labour leave seats. (so Labour should hold)

Johnson is as Marmite as Corbyn.

Conclusion: he has miscalculated, Parliament will be hung (or should be).

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Conclusion: he has miscalculated, Parliament will be hung (or should be).

A general election was their intention. Demonic Cummings master plan! However his head seemed to swell out of proportion after his referendum sabotage success, he's not as smart as he thinks he is judging from his committee performances and might even have gone a bit John Nash and gone off his tits. "Get Brexit Done!"



Anyway he's off now for surgery IIRC leaving Boris with some fracking lobbyist arsehole steering the Titanic.

Party with the largest vote share gets first crack at forming government in a hung parliament, hence Swinson potentially enabling a No Deal cliff edge with her desire for a Tory/LiarDem coalition, and Johnson doesn't have to resign immediately he can run the clock down riding us toward the abyss.

But I've got money riding on a Labour majority.

[Absolute_Zero]

Party with the largest vote share gets first crack at forming government in a hung parliament, hence Swinson potentially enabling a No Deal cliff edge with her desire for a Tory/LiarDem coalition, and Johnson doesn't have to resign immediately he can run the clock down riding us toward the abyss.

Half-term still open in your neck of the woods?

But I've got money riding on a Labour majority.

Oh well. I'll donate 30 AMD shares (~$1K) to Labour if that happens.

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Party with the largest vote share gets first crack at forming government in a hung parliament, hence Swinson potentially enabling a No Deal cliff edge with her desire for a Tory/LibDum coalition, and Johnson doesn't have to resign immediately he can run the clock down riding us toward the abyss.

Half-term still open in your neck of the woods?

Why do you ask?

edit: BTW let's hold you to that. Proof of donation expected upon Labour majority.

[Absolute_Zero]

Party with the largest vote share gets first crack at forming government in a hung parliament, hence Swinson potentially enabling a No Deal cliff edge with her desire for a Tory/LibDum coalition, and Johnson doesn't have to resign immediately he can run the clock down riding us toward the abyss.

Half-term still open in your neck of the woods?

Why do you ask?

edit: BTW let's hold you to that. Proof of donation expected upon Labour majority.

Sure, I expect they'll take PayPal?

[Harlequin]

Party with the largest vote share gets first crack at forming government in a hung parliament …

Really? I thought it was the party with the largest number of seats.

[tufty]

The way I see it, Labour are dead in the water. Their (by which I largely mean Corbyn's) dithering allowed May to push a Gammon enabling Brexit position, to hell with the country, and is now allowing Johnson to play brinksmanshit to the point where he gets his no-deal enabling election. At the point where May's deal had been kicked out twice by massive majorities, the Tories should have also been out. And yet somehow we've got a fucking rodeo clown in power, "leading" the country with a majority of -45 or so, with nary a twitch from the leader of the opposition benches.

Nobody, apart from Mr Tits it seems, trusts Corbyn as far as they could throw him. Or even as far as they could have thrown Cyril Smith. As far as most of us remoaners are concerned, Labour are a pro Brexit party led by an anti-europe fanatic. And that's a shame, because the rest of their policies would be pretty decent for the country.

Labour will haemorrhage pro-Brexit voters to Farage, and the anti-Brexit voters outside of England to the SNP, Plaid Cymru and Sinn Féin. In England, maybe the LibDems will pick up some votes but there's still too much memory of their last "wonderful" coalition with the Conservatives. Anti-Brexit Labour supporters in England, particularly the young, may well swing to the Greens rather than the LDs.

The LDs may end up being the kingmakers, but my money's more on the SNP and Plaid Cymru for that. They sure as hell ain't winning any General Election outright.

[Dio]

A Labour majority government is surely impossible - they're unlikely to poll as well as they did last time, in good part thanks to the resurgent LDs splitting the vote (a resurgence for which Labour can only blame itself and its determined vacillation on Brexit).

Whether the other parties can make up the shortfall to leave us back in hung parliament territory is an interesting point, and one notable wildcard would be Farage's recent apparent annoyance with Boris' deal.