EU referendum are you in or out

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Corbyn has committed to 6months max negotiations re Brexit.

https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/negotiating-brexit/

One things for sure No Deal would be out of the equation

[tufty]

Mays deal had the backstop which we had no control over.

The need for a backstop is an obvious result of the Good Friday Agreement's legal requirement for no hard border butting up against the UK's apparent desire for a hard border. There is a fundamental mismatch in there, one which cannot be hand-waved away. NI is required to keep free movement of people and goods with the Republic, the EU aren't going to throw Eire under the bus.

A better deal involves a different set of red lines and A customs union that allows us to continue trading freely whilst having a say and etc

And there's your unrealistic expectations again. You don't get a say in the way the EU does business unless you are part of the EU. None of the other nearly-EU nations have a say in EU rules, nor do they expect to. The EU, again, cannot and will not give the UK a better deal out of the EU than it has within the EU, and frankly, cannot even approach asymptotically the deal the UK has.

There are no fucking unicorns.

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Mays deal had the backstop which we had no control over.

The need for a backstop is an obvious result of..

..Theresa Mays red lines.

There are no fucking unicorns.

Great then the people will vote it down.

I’m sick of the negativity man.

[tufty]

The need for a backstop is an obvious result of..

..Theresa Mays red lines.

No, by the whole premise of Brexit. Any "Brexit" that leaves the UK in the customs union and with freedom of movement is "Brexit" only in name, and will not satisfy the brexiters. A hard border breaks the GFA. The other option, a hard border in the Irish Sea, effectively unites Ireland. The "technological border" crap is handwaving to hide what the Irish Sea border really is. The situation is not really all that difficult to understand, which is not to say that many people do.

I’m sick of the negativity man.

I couldn't give a fuck about the negativity. I'm sick of people pretending Corbyn is the fucking messiah, when in fact he is a very naughty boy utterly ineffectual in combatting the Tories' rape and pillage of all that was good in the country. He has done literally nothing apart from triggering interminable labour (and now, more generally, opposition) infighting, leaving cunts like Johnson, Gove and Rees-Mogg free reign to do what the fuck they like.

[Dio]

Mays deal had the backstop which we had no control over.

The need for a backstop is an obvious result of..

..Theresa Mays red lines.

There are no fucking unicorns.

Great then the people will vote it down.

And this is precisely what I mean about stupidity or dissembling. Labour's position is either dumb (if it thinks the customs union position is better than staying in) or an outright lie meant to promote a Remain vote.

[KlaxonCow]

Happy Second Cancelled Brexit Day, everyone!

[tufty]

Is Boris dead in a ditch yet?

[Cloudane]

Is Katie Hopkins naked in the Apprentice losers cafe yet?

https://twitter.com/kthopkins/status/11 ... 72?lang=en

We are out on 31 Oct.

If I am proved wrong I will drink a pot of tea naked in the Apprentice losers cafe with Farages face on each nipple.

I'd rather not look, myself.

[PFVA]

Mr Trump also said Mr Farage, who leads the Brexit Party and is planning to stand in the general election, and Mr Johnson should "get together" to create "an unstoppable force" in UK politics.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50252285

[phattslagg]

He has done literally nothing apart from triggering interminable labour (and now, more generally, opposition) infighting, leaving cunts like Johnson, Gove and Rees-Mogg free reign to do what the fuck they like.

Yeah. 41 govt defeats = “literally nothing”.

This is what happens when people become obsessed with single-issue politics.

[zip accident]

This is what happens when people become obsessed with single-issue politics.

It's a very big issue. Brexit stands to wreck the economy of the UK for fifteen or more years. The racism that originated Brexit may lead to a British Reich if we're not careful. This is not small beer.

[phattslagg]

It is. But I can’t help but notice the irony in people like tufty who, on the one hand mock others for expecting unicorns, whilst on the other thinking the Brexit problem can be magicked away by voting Lib Dem. No one thinks Labour can negotiate a perfect deal, but Corbyn and Starmer would have been able to do a fucksight better than May or Johnson, not least because Starmer actually seems to comprehend the complexities involved and doesn’t behave like a childish entitled prick.

That they have pledged to allow the public to choose between the deal they can negotiate and Remain, without any of this No Deal bollocks, is eminently sensible. It doesn’t require unicorns- it simply requires people to accept we can’t ignore Ref2016 or the only slightly smaller number of people who voted the other way.

Unfortunately, the likes of tufty have been banging on with such cocksure arrogance about how Corbyn is a secret No Deal fanatic, that they can’t admit they were wrong, and that Labour’s position has been the only sensible approach to an incredibly delicate and potentially disastrous situation. The Lib Dems have simply behaved like the fringe party they are - nothing but single-issue opportunists taking advantage of those unable to see beyond their bubble of post-referendum grief.

[tufty]

He has done literally nothing apart from triggering interminable labour (and now, more generally, opposition) infighting, leaving cunts like Johnson, Gove and Rees-Mogg free reign to do what the fuck they like.

Yeah. 41 govt defeats = “literally nothing”. :roll:

I think you forgot a couple of things there.

41 government defeats, including two of the three biggest defeats ever inflicted on a government, ever. Defeats inflicted on a two minority governments held together with sticky tape, string, and a bung to the political arm of a terrorist organisation. First defeat of a government's finance bill since 1978. The entire government found to be in contempt of parliament for the first time in history.

Pretty much /all/ of those defeats have been based on Brexit. The Tories' other, massively damaging, policies, not so defeated.

And yet, the latter of those governments is still in power, still pushing its catastrophic Brexit strategy, hell, still pushing Brexit, still destroying the country, wielding its now massive majority of *ahem* -43, still lying in the press about how fucking wonderful it is.

As you say, :roll:

[gravy]

It’s not really ‘in power’ though is it?

It hasn’t even had the power to choose how and when it tops itself.

[gravy]

Exciting day today, Brexit party announces where they’re standing @11:00

Fingers crossed for a strong candidate for Uxbridge & South Ruislip