EU referendum are you in or out

[Absolute_Zero]

That they have pledged to allow the public to choose between the deal they can negotiate ...

The EU would not be up for further negotiations [what Ireland says usually goes]
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... -1.4068573

Otherworldly if Corbyn had no choice but to deploy Johnson's deal as the leave option in a referendum.

[VNVObit]

Exciting day today, Brexit party announces where they’re standing @11:00

Fingers crossed for a strong candidate for Uxbridge & South Ruislip

Thought there were rumours Johnson was going to relocate to a safer borough after the Heathrow no show (lie in front of the diggers iirc)

[phattslagg]

That they have pledged to allow the public to choose between the deal they can negotiate ...

The EU would not be up for further negotiations [what Ireland says usually goes]
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... -1.4068573

Otherworldly if Corbyn had no choice but to deploy Johnson's deal as the leave option in a referendum.

We shall see. If Labour win, it’ll be a very bad look for the EU to refuse further negotiations, and if they have to put Johnson’s shitty deal to the people it will get slaughtered, and we’ll remain.

[VNVObit]

That they have pledged to allow the public to choose between the deal they can negotiate ...

The EU would not be up for further negotiations [what Ireland says usually goes]
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... -1.4068573

Otherworldly if Corbyn had no choice but to deploy Johnson's deal as the leave option in a referendum.

We shall see. If Labour win, it’ll be a very bad look for the EU to refuse further negotiations, and if they have to put Johnson’s shitty deal to the people it will get slaughtered, and we’ll remain.

It’d require a shift in the red lines as before and not threaten the British border in Ireland

Realistically they can amend the political declaration which EU is open to. Essentially would need to conclude FTA ASAP afterwards to make it binding

[tufty]

It’d require a shift in the red lines as before and not threaten the British border in Ireland

A less damaging Brexit, a "better deal" as Mr Tits would put it, requires throwing away those red lines anyway. That would probably net us the best possible "Brexit", aad Europe would probably be happy to go along with it if they thought it could be ratified, but it would be only Brexit in name, and a demonstrably worse situation than keeping the status quo (you can keep your Status Quo)

Parliament *might* go for such a deal. The public, especially the rabid brexiters egged on by the ERG, Farage, and the pro-brexit press who will undoubtedly be telling them it's a total surrender deal, perhaps less so - that said, those resigned to some sort of Brexit and who just want it over with might vote in favour.

There will be no unicorns.

[Dio]

Exciting day today, Brexit party announces where they’re standing @11:00

Fingers crossed for a strong candidate for Uxbridge & South Ruislip

Boris is changing seats to Alan Duncan's old seat.

Looks like Farage is going all-in. Tory manifesto must drop the deal and go for a hard Brexit or we try and fuck you over.

[Ollie]

Boris is changing seats to Alan Duncan's old seat.

Where have you seen that? Can't see anything about it in the news.

[gravy]

Exciting day today, Brexit party announces where they’re standing @11:00

Fingers crossed for a strong candidate for Uxbridge & South Ruislip

Boris is changing seats to Alan Duncan's old seat.

Looks like Farage is going all-in. Tory manifesto must drop the deal and go for a hard Brexit or we try and fuck you over.

And pushing to split Tory unity by courting the ERG directly

Now of course I’m open and flexible to local exceptions, and already we are in communication with a number of MPs who are prepared to renounce the withdrawal agreement, to renounce the deal, and they themselves to stand on a ticket of a genuine free trade agreement or leave on WTO terms.

In those cases, where MPs say this, we will view them as our friends and not our enemies.

Phew! Mark Francois is safe!

I agree, Boris will likely switch seats but no official word and running scared will not be a good look for him

[zip accident]

That they have pledged to allow the public to choose between the deal they can negotiate and Remain,

The deal they can negotiate, if they can negotiate one, is still fucking Brexit, still a total disaster. A no deal Brexit would be worse, but a Brexit with a deal is still horrifically awful.

[Dio]

So far, two different people have come into Brexit stamping their feet and talking about no deal and hard red lines and guaranteeing to deliver something that allows trade deals etc.

Both of them have, with varying degrees of rapidity, backtracked to something that Brexit's chief architect calls "Not Brexit at all". This is not because neither wanted to do so - it's because it's about the only practical exit that's likely not to crater the economy, and because all the no deal nonsense really is nonsense - all 'no deal' means is leaving us scrambling for a deal from a far more shitty negotiating position than the one we are in now. (And, for all the talk about leaving the threat of no deal on the table to help negotiation, nobody talks about the advantage of having Remain to fall back to if the deal is shit - because defeating democracy and all that bollocks.)

There might be a lesson in this.

[phattslagg]

That they have pledged to allow the public to choose between the deal they can negotiate and Remain,

The deal they can negotiate, if they can negotiate one, is still fucking Brexit, still a total disaster. A no deal Brexit would be worse, but a Brexit with a deal is still horrifically awful.

Then vote against it when the only party promising a referendum gives you the opportunity. If you think that Brexit will simply disappear without a specific, mandated public vote, you’re seriously deluded - same if you think the LibDems can take enough seats to revoke A.50.

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That they have pledged to allow the public to choose between the deal they can negotiate and Remain,

The deal they can negotiate, if they can negotiate one, is still fucking Brexit, still a total disaster. A no deal Brexit would be worse, but a Brexit with a deal is still horrifically awful.

Radicalised Remainers... tskkk !!

Survation (Daily Mail), for some reason the Guardian have not published.

Polls schmolls... but.. I see these as very healthy numbers for Labour, as Labour are naturally inclined to improve during campaigning with balanced reporting restrictions in play. Furthermore these pre-empt Farage's very helpful intervention which, unless the Tories do something mental, will split their lead.



Anything could happen, quietly confident in a Labour majority / most seats now.

[Dio]

Quite obviously those numbers aren't 'very healthy' for anyone except the Tories, unless filtered through an enormous amount of bias.

[(o)(o)]

Labour always poll worse than reality prior to balanced reporting restrictions with a right wing press. Remember.. 20 points behind in 2017 and Labour lost by a whisker and this polling precedes Farage's intervention.

Rather see a 20 points Labour lead obviously, but these numbers are healthy not least because we are already seeing a shift in trackers in the correct direction only hours into the campaigning.

[tufty]

the only party promising a referendum

Apart from all the others, you mean?

The SNP, who might well get more seats than Labour, are campaigning for a second referendum. Well, two second referendums, actually, but hey.
The Lib Dems want to cancel Article 50, but if they don't get a majority - want another referendum.
The Independent Group for Change - another referendum
Plaid Cymru - guess what? Another referendum.
The Green Party - Another referendum.

It's easier to state it the other way. The only parties not supporting another referendum as party policy are the Conservatives, the Brexit Party, and the DUP.

The Monster Raving Loony Party prefer Al Dente Brexit, perhaps the most sensible policy of all.

Trusting Labour on this is naive at best. Labour are very much the Johnny-come-lately's to the idea of a second referendum, despite many of their MPs campaigning for one, and much if not most of their membership being in favour. In March, for example, Labour whipped their MPs to abstain from voting on an amendment which would have enabled a people's vote, as a result the amendment failed. In April, the party whipped /for/, and 40 MPs abstained. As a result ...