EU referendum are you in or out

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Not liking the bookies odds, but..

[venusian]

It's ridiculous. The Tories seem to be made of teflon. No matter how much shit they pull and how much they lie, people still vote for them. Johnson has been proven, over and again, to be remorseless liar. He's on tape arranging for a journalist to be beaten up but no, we still like him.

I've thought before than some of the reason behind people supporting leave when it's clearly bad for them is that they just don't believe that bad things can happen; despite all the talk of the war spirit and the British sense of can-do, nobody has been through culturally devastating times. Therefore we all believe voting in a referendum or a GE is like picking a washing power: no matter which one you pick you still get clean clothes. In fact it's more like picking a tumble drier in that the wrong one could burn down your house.

Until we've been through some kind of chastisement this kind of smug British exceptionalism will prevail and we'll keep voting for the cheap and tacky baubles.

[merman]

.. so .. if the Tory win again .. .. .. .. what happens ? ..

As it stands, we Leave the EU on January 31st 2020 - sooner if Johnson forces his deal* through Parliament. Then we have to negotiate a full trade deal and customs arrangement with the EU by the end of 2021, or we crash out with No Deal whatsoever and become serfs.

Even former Tory minister David Gauke is saying a Tory majority would be a "bad outcome" for the country.

*Note that the EU negotiators are saying Boris DID NOT GET A NEW DEAL, it's the warned-over remains of Theresa Maybot's deal with a few legal clarifications. He also shifted some of the important protections (matching EU regs on working practices, food and product safety) from the Trade Agreement to the Political Declaration - meaning there is no legal need to enforce them. So you can wave goodbye to the Working Time Directive and much more. Which is what they wanted all along.)

[merman]

Nah, one reason and one reason only Farage isn't standing :

Wants to keep broadcasting.

Against Ofcom rules for an election candidate to broadcast.

He can't broadcast as a party leader either. He's on hiatus at LBC until the election is over.

In fact he got a bit of kicking from Eddie Mair yesterday

If only that were true. BBC Question Time are doing a series of "leader specials", so Farage gets an hour of TV to continue spreading his lies as Leader of The Brexit Party PLC...

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Passed the tipping point into information chaos and overload. Technology is a two edged sword, media barons massively controlling blatant unrelenting disinformation campaigns and Bernays style propaganda and human shepherding, on steriods...

Corbyn may be too prone to collective vision, but the allegations of antisemitism are fucking ridiculous. Yet I see smarter people than me, slowly being turned...

"Yes but he DID call them friends.."

Standard tactic in peace negotiations FFS and he did NOT refuse to condemn the IRA.. refuses to give tacit support to any bombing "its not a good idea" listen carefully he condemns BOTH sides.. complete neutrality


How can any NORMAL person not see that?

It's literally like, hey you can have Ghandi but even better ! (Ghandi had a few lesser known flaws) or Attilla the Hun and have your babies eaten, take your pick "We do chose Attila the Hun and we do chose to have our babies eaten"

OK replace him with Keir Starmer if you like.. I mean his background mirrors Blairs same school same career path innit?? Lets hope that's a coincidence.. In fact if Corbyn does Rise Again, do a John Smith and pop starmer in his place.. Jezzas getting on a bit, heart attack at his age or mysterious fall owuldn't look suspicious.. then we can "get back to buisiness" (as usual)

There just isn't no " moderate " alternative out there I don't see one... Labour right now IS a pinnacle of moderation, to their detriment apparently (eg neutral Brexit position = bad... not willing to commit to nuking millions = bad... FFS) I don't see a rise of communism or even socialist media do you? Just more and more tilt the table rightwards, and only persons gripping on firmly resisting the urge to slide...

" ID FOOKIN SHOOT THE CUNTS MYSELF, ENNNNNGH !!! " - a previously ordinary seeming decorator, says to me about fleeing refugees hes never had any interaction with whatosever.. completely unprovoked



Honestly though, enabling pressures (over popularion, climate change, food scarcity, environmental destruction) are not going to just 'go away'... things are going to continue hotting up... definitely migration pressure is going to force us to put up borders at some point... in summary

We are heading for THE ACOPYALPSE !

But it isn't all bad...



Anyway, all can be avoided by voting Labour, or Jo "The Witch" Swinson's Tory party if you live in a LD/Tory constituency..

Spoiler: show

"Right ChVldren. Now join your leader in an incantation."

"Mummy.. why has she got an eye on her stick?"

"I defy you oh mighty one. I defy your spirit. To give strenght, BHAAaaGGH..Mgnanenagnouw." chomp chomp chomp disableds eye..

[gravy]

Nah, one reason and one reason only Farage isn't standing :

Wants to keep broadcasting.

Against Ofcom rules for an election candidate to broadcast.

He can't broadcast as a party leader either. He's on hiatus at LBC until the election is over.

In fact he got a bit of kicking from Eddie Mair yesterday

If only that were true. BBC Question Time are doing a series of "leader specials", so Farage gets an hour of TV to continue spreading his lies as Leader of The Brexit Party PLC...

We're talking about broadcasting proffesionally

[Rubisco]

I don't think Facebook counts as broadcasting, at least not in the context of the Ofcom rules.

It certainly counts as broadcasting in legal terms, that's what Yaxley-Lennon got hauled up in front of the beak on.

No judgement needed to be made as to whether that was a "broadcast" or not, the Contempt of Court Act 1981 states:

The strict liability rule applies only in relation to publications, and for this purpose “publication” includes any speech, writing, programme included in a cable programme service or other communication in whatever form, which is addressed to the public at large or any section of the public.

So he could have said the same things live to a crowd at one of his rallies and be just as guilty, no recording or transmission necessary.

[Rubisco]

Standard tactic in peace negotiations FFS and he did NOT refuse to condemn the IRA.. refuses to give tacit support to any bombing "its not a good idea" listen carefully he condemns BOTH sides.. complete neutrality


How can any NORMAL person not see that?

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Standard tactic in peace negotiations FFS and he did NOT refuse to condemn the IRA.. refuses to give tacit support to any bombing "its not a good idea" listen carefully he condemns BOTH sides.. complete neutrality


How can any NORMAL person not see that?

I said NORMAL person!

BTW that footage around 0:16.. walked through that rubble later that day. Those of us old enough to remember the troubles should know better than to enourage anything that could bring a return to a republican army!



https://www.amazon.co.uk/Boris-Johnson- ... B07WSQ9CLC

[Rubisco]

I said NORMAL person!

"Nobody is more normal than Donald Trump." - Donald Trump

[merman]

.. so .. if the Tory win again .. .. .. .. what happens ? ..

As it stands, we Leave the EU on January 31st 2020 - sooner if Johnson forces his deal* through Parliament. Then we have to negotiate a full trade deal and customs arrangement with the EU by the end of 2021, or we crash out with No Deal whatsoever and become serfs.

Even former Tory minister David Gauke is saying a Tory majority would be a "bad outcome" for the country.

*Note that the EU negotiators are saying Boris DID NOT GET A NEW DEAL, it's the warned-over remains of Theresa Maybot's deal with a few legal clarifications. He also shifted some of the important protections (matching EU regs on working practices, food and product safety) from the Trade Agreement to the Political Declaration - meaning there is no legal need to enforce them. So you can wave goodbye to the Working Time Directive and much more. Which is what they wanted all along.)

I need to correct this... We would crash out in DECEMBER 2020 if a new trade deal with the EU is not in place.

[tufty]

We would crash out in DECEMBER 2020 if a new trade deal with the EU is not in place.

Or earlier, if we stomp out of talks in a huff. That's what's being set up.

[phattslagg]

Just thought I’d pop in to remind y’all that the only viable path to remain is to vote Labour, and then vote Remain in the subsequent referendum.

[Cloudane]

Just thought I’d pop in to remind y’all that the only viable path to remain is to vote Labour, and then vote Remain in the subsequent referendum.

Get out of here with your sensible, rational recommendations!

[Absolute_Zero]

Speaking of sensible, rational recommendations... free full-fibre broadband for every one, Caracus.