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Speaking of sensible, rational recommendations... free full-fibre broadband for every one, Caracus.

It's quite possible to praise a principled political position, without the banality of suggesting Britain converts itself to a catholic, caribbean, tropical resort with abundant oil reserves, completely different global influence, geopolitical positioning, natural resources, infrastructure, ethnic composition, climate, history, wealth, language etc etc

That is the stuff of tabloids and Boris Johnson when he rants maniacally that Labour's broadband plan as 'a crazed communist scheme'. Perhaps he should tell South Korea who it is alleged have nationalised broadband.

Heard some rather positive talk of the idea on this mornings Jame O'Brien show.

Chin up!

[Absolute_Zero]

'alleged' being the operative since it is neither free or nationalised.

https://www.publicknowledge.org/blog/wh ... price-tag/

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Well, it is like South Korea, according to McDonnell, because it's only-part nationialisation. Other operators would still get to compete. And as your linked article shows, their government invested billions over a 10 year period in national investment.

Other examples cited include Japan, Stockholm, and Ireland.

[merman]

BT shouldn't have been privatised in the first place, along with all the other utilities.

All it has done is increase costs, reduce the actual work force in those sectors leading to more frequent breakdowns and problems, and made hedge funds and speculators richer. Not to mention all those fat cat director salaries.

Now, if the tech tax was used to speed up the rollout of fibre broadband and smart meters, that would make a lot more sense in the long run.

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To be clear, it's not BT but Openreach that bonds would be traded on.

Which is pretty much a monopoly service anyway.

Right now we've got sub-Romania standard internet infrastructure, and Openreach aren't exacgtly enamoured by the IT community - who seem to be responding positively to the proposals.

[Dio]

Now, if the tech tax was used to speed up the rollout of fibre broadband and smart meters, that would make a lot more sense in the long run.

Nobody should want a smart meter under the current terms. It gives me nothing except vulnerability to denial of service attacks.

[gilesgoat]

To be clear, it's not BT but Openreach that bonds would be traded on.

Which is pretty much a monopoly service anyway.

Right now we've got sub-Romania standard internet infrastructure, and Openreach aren't exacgtly enamoured by the IT community - who seem to be responding positively to the proposals.

Really ??

... but but ... we are in Wales in the middle of nowhere and we have fibre .. and it even works quite well !

[Rubisco]

Well, it is like South Korea, according to McDonnell, because it's only-part nationialisation. Other operators would still get to compete. And as your linked article shows, their government invested billions over a 10 year period in national investment.

Other examples cited include Japan, Stockholm, and Ireland.

If they can first find a way to bring the UK's national debt down to ~$100bn like South Korea's was in 2003 then I say go for it.

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Why wait. when investment now would stimulate enterprise and make us more competitive.. ?

To be clear, it's not BT but Openreach that bonds would be traded on.

Which is pretty much a monopoly service anyway.

Right now we've got sub-Romania standard internet infrastructure, and Openreach aren't exacgtly enamoured by the IT community - who seem to be responding positively to the proposals.

Really ??

... but but ... we are in Wales in the middle of nowhere and we have fibre .. and it even works quite well !

Yep..

Well according to variouos metrics.. UK seems to be eclispsed by South Korea.. horrible " communist " scanivdnivian coutnries, and some eastern european nations..

https://www.speedtest.net/global-index
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... ion_speeds

[Absolute_Zero]

Well, it is like South Korea, according to McDonnell, because it's only-part nationialisation. Other operators would still get to compete. And as your linked article shows, their government invested billions over a 10 year period in national investment.

Other examples cited include Japan, Stockholm, and Ireland.

Where in the world... free full-fibre broadband for everyone?

[Barney]

Cynically, I'd expect the free govt-based broadband to be relatively low-speed (no 4k streaming) locked down (no p2p traffic, porn filter) and as it will be a govt-run ISP, heavy data collection. If you want more than that, and any sort of privacy at all then you'll go to one of the "competing" ISPs which won't be competative at all.

[Cloudane]

Cynically, I'd expect the free govt-based broadband to be relatively low-speed (no 4k streaming) locked down (no p2p traffic, porn filter) and as it will be a govt-run ISP, heavy data collection. If you want more than that, and any sort of privacy at all then you'll go to one of the "competing" ISPs which won't be competative at all.

This.

Much as I like Labour myself, this is one of their less attractive ideas IMO and I'm just glad that we'd still have the ability to choose our own ISP rather than the inevitably slow, Big Brother 'free' service. The irony of course for a leftist party is that this further divides the "can afford a decent, private service" and "cannot afford that" classes. Rather than elevating the poor into a position where they can afford broadband.

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Cynically, I'd expect the free govt-based broadband to be relatively low-speed (no 4k streaming) locked down (no p2p traffic, porn filter) and as it will be a govt-run ISP, heavy data collection. If you want more than that, and any sort of privacy at all then you'll go to one of the "competing" ISPs which won't be competative at all.

This is OpenReach they are talking about being nationalised not the entire shitshow.. same organisation that has given us.. low speeds (4K streaming is a doddle in Latvia and Estonia, compared to U.K.. South Korea has world No1 speeds using a similar model to the proposal !!.), a Tory porn filter - which ld requires you to share sensitive information with some of the dodgiest companies on earth (was due in the symummer but postponed), and... heavy data collection and privacy.. seriously have you not heard of mass bulk data collection ?? Much of which was deemed unlawful?? Check this.. https://www.theguardian.com/law/2016/ju ... -in-the-uk

No I don’t think we should be more paranoid about our data in Labour’s hands, vs a fascistic far right government running a virtual police state with a figurehead who can’t utter a true statement.

The only people bricking it have a vested interest.. idea is going down well on social media and IT circles who are frustrated with OpenRetch and us lagging behind other countries. Plus yes, free, paid for with a tax on Facebook and Google and Amazon etc.. what.. anyone opposed to these hucksters contributing a fair tax on business they do in Britain??





Funnily enough the Conservatives mocked the idea by asking what will Labour nationalise next.. pubs? Football teams?? Well they are getting a backlash as we used to have very decent national pubs, fondly remembered, and there are many examples of fan owned football clubs worldwide. Oddly Labour are coming up with innovative suggestions to improve things, whilst the Cons are bereft of ideas and can only attack based on lies!

https://twitter.com/cchqpress/status/11 ... 79969?s=21

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Well, it is like South Korea, according to McDonnell, because it's only-part nationialisation. Other operators would still get to compete. And as your linked article shows, their government invested billions over a 10 year period in national investment.

Other examples cited include Japan, Stockholm, and Ireland.

Where in the world... free full-fibre broadband for everyone?

An interesting read on our former nationalised pubs... thank goodness private chains like Marstons and Weatherspoons stepped in to improve the industry !!

https://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/Art ... -World-War

[phattslagg]

https://twitter.com/shaunjlawson/status ... 13600?s=21