So the answer remains: nowherephattslagg wrote:https://twitter.com/shaunjlawson/status/1195591241276313600?s=21
(free full-fibre broadband for everyone)

So the answer remains: nowherephattslagg wrote:https://twitter.com/shaunjlawson/status/1195591241276313600?s=21

It's not Labour I'm worried about. It's the inevitable shift from Labour back to the Tories once Labour fall out of favour again.(o)(o) wrote:No I don’t think we should be more paranoid about our data in Labour’s hands, vs a fascistic far right government running a virtual police state with a figurehead who can’t utter a true statement.

You do pay a toll, it's called petrol.phattslagg wrote:Yes, it would be awful. I love having to pay for it, then shopping around for a better deal every couple of years. I really wish I could pay a toll for all the roads I drive on, too.

Well .. "maybe I am thinking old" but I think that 30 Mbits are NOT a bad speed at all .. I would dare to say "enough for most uses".(o)(o) wrote:Why wait. when investment now would stimulate enterprise and make us more competitive.. ?
Yep..gilesgoat wrote:Really ??(o)(o) wrote:To be clear, it's not BT but Openreach that bonds would be traded on.
Which is pretty much a monopoly service anyway.
Right now we've got sub-Romania standard internet infrastructure, and Openreach aren't exacgtly enamoured by the IT community - who seem to be responding positively to the proposals.
... but but ... we are in Wales in the middle of nowhere and we have fibre .. and it even works quite well !
Well according to variouos metrics.. UK seems to be eclispsed by South Korea.. horrible " communist " scanivdnivian coutnries, and some eastern european nations..
https://www.speedtest.net/global-index
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... ion_speeds

Remember nationalisation is good as long as there's a government really capable to manage properly all the things for the greater good .. otherwise is HELL .. ..Cloudane wrote:I suppose it's worth a shot if it's Openreach they're on about, they can't do much more of a half-arsed job. Mind, the Tories are promising full fibre as well which is my main grumble (FTTC was always stupid), I don't really care how it's done except that I'd rather it's funded by the rich than the poor which is where voting Labour comes in.
While they're at it they should nationalise some electric vehicle charging infrastructure. Start with Ecotricity's Electric Highway and put something decent in the motorway services, they can't possibly do a worse job (unless they decide to abandon AC Type 2 or hand the keys to Instavolt, from my perspective)

Corporation tax isn't a tax on the rich.Cloudane wrote: I don't really care how it's done except that I'd rather it's funded by the rich than the poor which is where voting Labour comes in.

They avoid income tax too. Even if they didn't it also isn't a tax on the rich, it's a tax on the getting-richer. A social mobility tax.Dio wrote:Indeed. The rich "avoid" CT enthusiastically.
Done in any way sensibly, nationalisation doesn't mean boris running everything. A nationalised company, at its most basic, is a company where the only shareholder is the state, and where the shareholder does what a real shareholder should do - takes a part of the benefits whilst not bleeding the company dry in good times, and feeds money back into the company in bad times.gilesgoat wrote:Remember nationalisation is good as long as there's a government really capable to manage properly all the things for the greater good .. otherwise is HELL .. ..
.. do you trust the current government and the others that possibly will come ? .. With Boris at the horizon ? ..
