EU referendum are you in or out

[Dio]

It's too late really. We massively needed an infrastructure upgrade ten years ago, but it's mostly done now. The leap from 2mbps to 50mbps is an enormous one, but moving on from 50 to 200+ really doesn't make that much difference. Most of us are sharing less than 50mbit through the whole house anyway due to wifi.

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It's not too late.

[zip accident]

It's not too late.

What's the benefit to the nation?

I like YakYak but we certainly don't get many more than 10^3 visitors per day, so that's tiny countrywide.

More programmers would be good, but making programming easy enough that most graduates could do it would be a lot more relevant that national access to broadband.

More porn would be fun, but the Mary Whitehouse strand of the Tory party wouldn't like it, and the benefit to the GDP would probably be minimal.

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It's not too late.

What's the benefit to the nation?

Having a level or advantage position on our competitors.

More porn would be fun, .... the benefit to the GDP would probably be minimal.

I'm thinking of schooling and education, and the various strata of media interconnectivity where the UK is lagging bheind.

[Dio]

It's not too late.

What's the benefit to the nation?

Having a level or advantage position on our competitors.

More porn would be fun, .... the benefit to the GDP would probably be minimal.

I'm thinking of schooling and education, and the various strata of media interconnectivity where the UK is lagging bheind.

You're not answering the question. What do you want to do today that you can't do with 50Mbps? I'm no light user, but I can't saturate my connection to the point where anything degrades badly.

Fixing the existing notspots needs doing as a priority. But all-fibre? Where's the point? It's a margin improvement, not the radical one that the shift to consistent >20Mbps was. Where's the ROI compared to investing the same money in clean energy or transport infrastructure?

[Rubisco]

I'm thinking of schooling and education, and the various strata of media interconnectivity where the UK is lagging bheind.

Why does my mum need it though? Why should she care if she can stream 4K for free when she can't even appreciate 720p because there's an NHS waiting list to sort her cataracts?

[Rubisco]

(£20 billion paid for by taxing the big tech companies, remember)

Nope, sorry I don't recall how the initial £20 billion would be raised, what I do remember is McDonnell saying the subsequent £230 million a year operational costs would be covered by a new tax on multinational companies.

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Lord James of Blackheath.

[Rhythm]

You're not answering the question. What do you want to do today that you can't do with 50Mbps? I'm no light user, but I can't saturate my connection to the point where anything degrades badly.

I have 80mbps and it's fine for when I'm on my own in the flat but if my or my GF's kids show up and start streaming and dossing about on TikTok things take a solid hit.

If they're going to do this I think it's fair to say the most prudent thing to do would be to fit out the best available tech at the time. The only question I'd have is whether this is all somewhat moot given the claims of what 5G (and then in ten years, 6G?) can supposedly do.

[Dio]

I have two kids and 50mbps and I've never noticed it, not once in the 18 months or so since we got out of the 2Mbit ghetto - I've had network hitches, it's obvious when it happens, but it's always a DSL reconnect.

I suspect the bottleneck is more likely to be your wifi - we are very well distributed across both bands - or a dodgy router (the Ubiquity seems very good at load balancing, even out of the box).

[VNVObit]

I've above 50Mbps but live in London (zone 3) so not one of the ones who'd benefit from he policy. It's FTTC here so service is pretty good (nearest cabinet <20 metres from the house)

2 children plus missus all browsing, TV now largely consumed via streaming services and don't normally go near the max of the available bandwidth (despite my teenage son complaining about lag!)
usually limiting factor in the house is wifi (old house, thick walls) and wiring (powerline caps at 50Mbps according to the indicators).

I'd be happy for the infrastructure element to be state owned or spun off and heavily regulated so its priorities were bringing everyone up to a reasonable speed and provide some future proofing.

Can't help thinking they imagine the next wave of innovation is going to be based on having that bandwidth - that would be a gamble

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I've above 50Mbps but live in London (zone 3) so not one of the ones who'd benefit from he policy.

It would be free, and no threat of a call out charge if "British Broadband" come out (awlays been wary of that £128 charge from OpenReach if they determine it's not their problem!)

I'm assuming we would still pay for ISPs, but not the line. I'm currently in a deal £270 / yr for fibre internet and line. I'm guessing that would drop to £100 or possibly a lot less, for just data.

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More depressing polls in from Survation today, especially for LibDems it's just all downhill whenever Swinson or Davey or Ummuna open their mouths... could'nt happen to a nicer bunch !! .. but remember as His Royal Highness Sir Lord Curtis says the real action happens in the last two weeks. OK it's not directly comparable, but here is where we were at this stage in the 2017 GE.



I'd reckon 80 to 90% of sane people would be happy to see a Lab/Lib/SNP alliance, which seems our best hope (at the moment, anything could happen!)

[VNVObit]

I've above 50Mbps but live in London (zone 3) so not one of the ones who'd benefit from he policy.

It would be free, and no threat of a call out charge if "British Broadband" come out (awlays been wary of that £128 charge from OpenReach if they determine it's not their problem!)

I'm assuming we would still pay for ISPs, but not the line. I'm currently in a deal £270 / yr for fibre internet and line. I'm guessing that would drop to £100 or possibly a lot less, for just data.

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I was thinking of those who don't benefit from high speed links rather than cost as over that number doesn't equate to 50p/day so not a huge benefit and certainly not enough to swing a vote

not wary of their £128 as can check the master socket (first thing I do) - then swap in a second router (have 2 hubs) so can deduce whether the problem is before the house or just a router issue

[VNVObit]

[PFVA]

I just got fiber last June and i'm still trying to figure out what to do with the 120 TV channels that came attached to it.