EU referendum are you in or out

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EU Are you IN or OUT

In
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77%
Out
21
17%
Undecided (shake it all about)
8
6%
 
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gilesgoat wrote:And FFS STOP using wood to build houses, forget it exists please, you have that super famous Portland Cement we use it everywhere in Italy ! .. USE CEMENT !!!

Wood is expensive and rots and needs to be replaced !!
Cement has to mostly go over the next 20 years. There's no way we can meet climate goals while still using it. Wood is likely to be the most sustainable housing material in the future - properly treated, it lasts well, and there's an argument that rebuilding properties on a 30-50 year basis is more sensible than locking in large quantities of 100-year-old housing stock.

As to the rest, the only effective solution I've seen that keeps house prices down is either a large publicly operated rented sector or a housing glut. That's the reason for the explosion in house pricing since the 70s - if you rely on mature private rented sectors then rents trend to what's affordable by the median wage and mortgages trend to a monthly payment that is 3-4 times that. This is the future of the UK without more intervention - I've seen it happen in the popular parts of the US. (Most of the US house prices are kept down by the vast excess of land and cheap building materials which makes it easy to build new housing, but that fails in SF, NY etc.). That's basically what's already happened in London, but it's likely the long term destination of the whole of the UK.
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Dio wrote:Wood … lasts well
Indeed it does. My house was built in 1936, but the wooden frame was recovered from a farm that was already 100 years or so old at the time.

The problem with wood is sourcing it - you need forestry, which ties up huge swathes of land, and that's hard to get in an arguably overpopulated UK. Especially one that's going to need to start growing its own food real soon now.
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tufty wrote:
Dio wrote:Wood … lasts well
Indeed it does. My house was built in 1936, but the wooden frame was recovered from a farm that was already 100 years or so old at the time.

The problem with wood is sourcing it - you need forestry, which ties up huge swathes of land, and that's hard to get in an arguably overpopulated UK. Especially one that's going to need to start growing its own food real soon now.
If you see where 'most of the wood comes from' and the shit stuff like Ikea does to the planet/wood sources .. you'd never use wood ever again, in a perfect world all would be regulated, cared for, sustainable, used with care and parsimony.

We are NOT in a perfect world AT ALL.

Growing some food at least it's always a good idea, also "keeps your mind grounded to the harsh reality".

Time ago I was smiling a bit at all those "preppers" people, now my only regret is that I don't have all that money to invest in anything like that but if I'd have it I'd do it too!

Maybe the crash will happen later than sooner but being a bit "self sustainable" is NEVER a bad idea, NEVER.

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tufty wrote: *overpopulated UK*
No worries Boris will soon throw out all those damned europeans that are over populating it doing absolutely nothing and wasting resources, mind you I know a few places of UK that are FAR from "over populated" now that London and some parts of UK are over populated is another story ...

But I've seen quite a few parts of UK that would benefit from a bit of more investment and such .. but hey .. it's not London .. they don't go in there, why put money in there, who gives a shit about "too north" or "too south" ? 8)

Said that I'd be curious to know what's the % of NON-EU people in UK vs EU .. I don't know this data.

Anyway Tufty according to Boris you should not be able to say anything about UK nor possibly get back because .. it's over populated you know :mrgreen:
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gilesgoat wrote:according to Boris you should not be able to say anything about UK
…because I'm a race traitor.

As for coming back …
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tufty wrote:
gilesgoat wrote:according to Boris you should not be able to say anything about UK
…because I'm a race traitor.

As for coming back …
.. don't start with the "race" thing .. the jump between joking and someone actually believing it is very thin ...

Makes me think also at "Gangs of New York" .. big movie .. "natives" VS "immigrants" ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmopolitanism

Of Diogenes it is said: "Asked where he came from, he answered: 'I am a citizen of the world (kosmopolitês)'"


I'd prefer something like "Citizen of the Cosmos" ( Citizen of the Universe seems already been taken for other purposes ) you know me, the moment they find the abitable planet with the big green lizards I am there 8)

Seriously human race has a lot of crap, give me some biotech I'd completely re-engineer myself .. probably N times .. or every tot time for a change .. :mrgreen:
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gilesgoat wrote:.. a house is not "an investment" .. a house is a house ... a building maybe could be an investment ..
Oh they are, to landlords, and people who buy them cheap and sell them when the prices go up, people who buy them decorate them and resell, people buying and watching the value go up for when their kids inherit it etc etc

I'd prefer they weren't an investment and were more of a basic human right, but that's a bit communist or something :)
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Cloudane wrote:
gilesgoat wrote:.. a house is not "an investment" .. a house is a house ... a building maybe could be an investment ..
Oh they are, to landlords, and people who buy them cheap and sell them when the prices go up, people who buy them decorate them and resell, people buying and watching the value go up for when their kids inherit it etc etc

I'd prefer they weren't an investment and were more of a basic human right, but that's a bit communist or something :)
I found this looking through certain lore ..

"Ci vogliono le mani per costruire una abitazione, ma solo il cuore può costruire una casa."

I'll leave you to find the translation 8)

Pity I cannot remember at all a certain movie I've seen trailers aeons ago about a certain house ...
Walls with windows and doors form the house,

but the empty space within it is the essence of the

house.

In general is in the being that lies the usefulness but is

the non-being that contains the essence.
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Oh they are, to landlords, and people who buy them cheap and sell them when the prices go up, people who buy them decorate them and resell, people buying and watching the value go up for when their kids inherit it etc etc "

.. that's precisely a building NOT a house :wink:
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It takes hands to build a house , but only the heart can build a house .
:lol:

Nah a house is a building, a home is the belonging emotion-y thing. I have a feeling a good English translation would be "it takes hands to build a house, but only the heart can build a home"
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Cloudane wrote:
It takes hands to build a house , but only the heart can build a house .
:lol:

Nah a house is a building, a home is the belonging emotion-y thing. I have a feeling a good English translation would be "it takes hands to build a house, but only the heart can build a home"
Nah it's the translation that is wrong, the Italian sentence is more correct with yours.
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And in the meantime Erdogan sends troops to Lybia to support one side of the civil war, and Italy jumps up, issues a kind of veiled threat. The two are members of NATO and Italy is a EU member.

And in France it seems that the strike against the pension reform will continue thru the New Year. At least they are trying to defend their labour rights.
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PFVA wrote:And in the meantime Erdogan sends troops to Lybia to support one side of the civil war, and Italy jumps up, issues a kind of veiled threat. The two are members of NATO and Italy is a EU member.

And in France it seems that the strike against the pension reform will continue thru the New Year. At least they are trying to defend their labour rights.
Interesting, I can't find anything on some Italian news, where did you hear all that ?
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France and Egypt are getting aggitated about it as well. Which could be expected as France and Egypt support one side while Turkey supports the other...which is also supported by the EU and Italy.
Poor Libya.
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(o)(o) wrote:Not wishing to be negative, but I reckon we're fucked either way.
In. Out.

SHAKE IT ALL ABOUT.

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gilesgoat wrote:
PFVA wrote:And in the meantime Erdogan sends troops to Lybia to support one side of the civil war, and Italy jumps up, issues a kind of veiled threat. The two are members of NATO and Italy is a EU member.

And in France it seems that the strike against the pension reform will continue thru the New Year. At least they are trying to defend their labour rights.
Interesting, I can't find anything on some Italian news, where did you hear all that ?
Yeahp, sorry.
As Little stoned kiwi clarified Italy and Turkey are on the same side. It's Saudi Arabia and Egypt supporting the rebels. And some say France was too but they are denying it.
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