Fool me, this is real good shit ! [the VR thread]

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Re: Fool me, this is real good shit ! [the VR thread]

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Jamesac wrote:A new one I've been enjoying is Audio Trip, not yet on Quest but in Early Access for standard Rift/Vive. The movement in it is absolutely fantastic, seeing as the note placement is designed by a dance choreographer. Could stand a new trailer, though. This one is a bit dated. Also worth noting the trailer below is to show off the difference between standard and expert note tracks, which is why it's split-screen.

Just picked that one up myself; really enjoying it. If you like that type of game, Harmonix (creators of "Rock Band") just released a new one yesterday called Audica that looks pretty good:


(well, can't embed youtube for some reason)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZBbL8ZRb7o
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Valve's dropped the "Half Life: Alyx" gameplay trailers on their YouTubes:







Apparently, Alyx has some "gravity gun / physics gun" stuff in her gloves, so you'll be able to "Jedi force pull" things into your hands, to some degree.

Videos 1 and 3 use teleporting, but video 2 seems to have smooth locomotion - so it looks like both will be there as an option.
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"Videos 1 and 3 use teleporting, but video 2 seems to have smooth locomotion - so it looks like both will be there as an option."



Each vid shows the different locomotion options. vid 1 : teleport, Vid 2: smooth and Vid 3: dash.
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Onikaze wrote:Each vid shows the different locomotion options. vid 1 : teleport, Vid 2: smooth and Vid 3: dash.
I guess. Now that I'm looking at it again, I see what you mean.
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Looks amazing !!!!
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Onikaze wrote: Each vid shows the different locomotion options. vid 1 : teleport, Vid 2: smooth and Vid 3: dash.
i need to try vr, i imaine dash would be great for players sitting on their arse, but still full emersed.
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kel wrote:
Onikaze wrote: Each vid shows the different locomotion options. vid 1 : teleport, Vid 2: smooth and Vid 3: dash.
i need to try vr, i imaine dash would be great for players sitting on their arse, but still full emersed.
Full locomotion is just plain bad in VR, sitting or standing. Teleport or dash are quite nice, though. It's all about avoiding that feeling of queasiness, sweating, eyeballs feeling two sizes too big for their sockets, and an ugly headache. The human body has very strong opinions on seeing one thing while feeling another.
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Jamesac wrote:
kel wrote:
Onikaze wrote: Each vid shows the different locomotion options. vid 1 : teleport, Vid 2: smooth and Vid 3: dash.
i need to try vr, i imaine dash would be great for players sitting on their arse, but still full emersed.
Full locomotion is just plain bad in VR, sitting or standing. Teleport or dash are quite nice, though. It's all about avoiding that feeling of queasiness, sweating, eyeballs feeling two sizes too big for their sockets, and an ugly headache. The human body has very strong opinions on seeing one thing while feeling another.
It depends on the person. VR legs is a term for a reason :D
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Onikaze wrote:Each vid shows the different locomotion options. vid 1 : teleport, Vid 2: smooth and Vid 3: dash.
Valve have talked about their locomotive options and, apparently, they're officially called "traversal", "continuous" and "shift".

https://uploadvr.com/half-life-alyx-teleporting/

The distinction they're making between "teleport" and "traversal" is that the game rapidly calculates the in-between stages of movement, and that's what the AI (and physics system) actually sees, and because it plots a course from one location to another, you can't teleport anywhere that you couldn't walk to in "continuous" locomotion.

I've also noticed, in re-watching the videos, that the view "blinks" when you traverse. It quickly fades out to black and fades back in. I presume what's going on is that, for the engine, you just "shifted" (or dashed, a la the third video, but Valve call this "shifting" instead), but in "traversal" mode, the actual movement isn't shown - to help with motion sickness - but occurs within the "blink" fade out and in (i.e. the AI and game sees you as having "shifted" like the third video, but it's not shown to you - is hidden inside the "blink" - to fully avoid any "virtual motion vs. real motion" mismatches, giving you motion sickness).

So, really, "traversal" and "shift" are, to the engine, the same thing internally. But "traversal" is more VR-sickness-friendly by not showing the "shift" to you, the player.
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Full locomotion in VR isn't a problem at all in some titles for me yet one or two others have made me feel a little icky.
It must be either the way it's implemented or possibly frame rate - although all run at high framertates, so more likely something in the engines implemetation even if the on screen motion looks the same.
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I sometimes get motion sickness in VR, but teleporting is a deal breaker for me. It completely removes the immersiveness, and it's the reason why I greatly prefer No Man's Sky on my monitor. I preordered Alyx, and I really hope I can handle walking around in it.
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Jamesac wrote: Full locomotion is just plain bad in VR, sitting or standing. Teleport or dash are quite nice, though.
It's all about avoiding that feeling of queasiness, sweating, eyeballs feeling two sizes too big for their sockets, and an ugly headache.
The human body has very strong opinions on seeing one thing while feeling another.
yeah, oddly this is the reason i want to try vr, ive become a bit of a frame rate sob since upgrading, anything below 90fps is like geting poked in the eye ( must be getting older ), new hl looks stunning tho, want, i might twist my eyeballs into buying a cheep headset :D
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oh shii, didn't realise this was today, gonna have to watch a live stream, must be exciting to be vr ready now :D
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Well, Half-Life Alyx is as good as hoped. It's not often I plan a second play-through when only a couple hours into the first, but that's where I am right now.
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what headset are you using? very tempted to get a quest but the fps limit puts me off.
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