EU referendum are you in or out

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EU Are you IN or OUT

In
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77%
Out
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17%
Undecided (shake it all about)
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6%
 
Total votes: 127

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Deckard wrote:Boris is so so so far beyond shite its unreal - He has made May look competent. Possibly the worst PM for 40 years ?
He's got a lot 'wrong' in some ways, but over the EU he is doing ok. Remember he wasn't the one who voted to leave so don't hang that round his neck.
No he changed his mind on that when the PM job looked up for grabs -

https://www.businessinsider.com/boris-j ... ?r=US&IR=T

This government is doing "OK " with the EU ? How is that even a line ? Wasn't it oven ready 2 years ago ? Are they also doing "OK" with track and trace ?

History will not look favourably on Boris especially when great leaders become great generally through crisis....
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At this point ...

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When animal abuse, is allegedly comedy, a joke..

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gilesgoat wrote:At this point ...
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(o)(o) wrote:When animal abuse, is allegedly comedy, a joke..
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Yep. If Hitler had had his way we would probably all be vegetarian now.
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Harlequin wrote:If Hitler had had his way we would probably all be vegetarian now.
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Suspect you're baiting me (sic) with that comment..

Whatever with Hitler... Maybe it's just me but I tend to have more time for the thoughts of great thinkers like Leonardo da Vinci, Einstein, Martin Luther King than homicidal maniacs?
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(o)(o) wrote:When animal abuse, is allegedly comedy, a joke..

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.. which says a lot about a nation where favourite food is LAMB .. .. ..
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Also in other words if I read it correctly ( not sure anyway all my still change ) .. from Brexit on someone from EU won't be legally able to stay in UK for longer than 90 days for a max time of 180 days per year ?

I read that students and business will need visas to come in UK that could cost up to 2000 pounds ( for business/work, for students I think quite less but you'll still have to pay and limited time of staying ) .
If you plan to arrive in the UK from 1 January 2021 onwards, you will need to apply for a student visa if you are studying a course which is longer than six months in length.

You will need to complete an application and have it accepted before you arrive in the UK.

You will need to pay an application fee (£348 for students) and have a current passport or other valid travel document.

Most people will be able to complete their application, including identity verification, using a smartphone app. If you can’t access the smartphone app or you don’t have a biometric passport, you may need to go to a Visa Application Centre in your country.

You will also need to pay a fee called an Immigration Health Surcharge. This gives you access to the UK’s National Health Service. Students receive a 25 per cent discount on the usual cost of this surcharge - so the rate for student visa holders is £470 per year.
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The job you’re offered will need to be at a required skill level of RQF3 or above (equivalent to A level). You’ll also need to be able to speak English and be paid the relevant salary threshold by your sponsor. This will either be the general salary threshold of £25,600 or the going rate for your job, whichever is higher.

If you earn less than this - but no less than £20,480 - you may still be able to apply by ‘trading’ points on specific characteristics against your salary. For example, if you have a job offer in a shortage occupation or have a PhD relevant to the job.
That's still a lot of money to earn, I can tell you MANY people in Italy, ESPECIALLY in IT, DO NOT get 2.1K eur a month, the general/standard is still around 1.5 .. 1.7K eur a month and that's being quite generous.

For something around 2K you must be in some "commerce/sales" somewhere where you'd still get "a base income" NOT that much higher than "minimal wage" but where you may get some "extras" via some "other bonuses".

The idea ( in Italy ) is to ALWAYS keep everyone as close as possible to minimal wages to avoid higher taxation that BTW is "quite a bit weird" because it works both ways, for the employer and employee so "if you stay minimal" you get minimal but you get taxed little or close to nothing ( if you don't have "any other taxable source of income" ) BUT as soon as you go above certain thresholds taxes are hammering real hard so it's "lot more work for disminished return".

If you really are "lot more rich" then it means "you have other means to avoid taxes" :roll: But it's "the spot in the middle" that gets all the shit.

But seriously "on papers" is nothing but common to see "almost everyone close to minimal wage" and "minimal wage" is not even 1.5K is less .. 25K eur a year is quite a high salary.
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gilesgoat wrote:
(o)(o) wrote:When animal abuse, is allegedly comedy, a joke..

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.. which says a lot about a nation where favourite food is LAMB .. .. ..
Lamb might be your favourite Indian food... :P the country doesn't have a favourite - it's massive and diverse with variations between regions a bit like Italy... Even so about a third of the population are vegetarian - more than any other nationan AFAIK- so it's a good point.

Italy as a whole is now is about 9% or 5,340,000 vegetarian, also 1,326,600 vegans.. better than the UK!
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Deckard wrote:Boris is so so so far beyond shite its unreal - He has made May look competent. Possibly the worst PM for 40 years ?
He's got a lot 'wrong' in some ways, but over the EU he is doing ok. Remember he wasn't the one who voted to leave so don't hang that round his neck.
Utter garbage. Boris spent years as a correspondent in Brussels making up lies while growing fat on expense accounts. He’s the reason so many believe the whole “EU won’t let us have straight bananas/sell things weighed in pounds/want us to take in seventy billion immigrants” propaganda crap.
He was also one of the KEY FIGUREHEADS of the whole official Leave campaign. He didn’t just change sides to grab the PM job from Theresa May, he was lying his fat ass off for three years before that.

In June he had the opportunity to extend talks and settle a deal before the end of transition. He chose not to, setting an artificial deadline that did not need to exist.
Remember, as part of the Leave campaign, the official leaflets said “a deal will be done BEFORE the legal process to leave the EU will begin.” Cameron waltzed off, Theresa May walked in with unrealistic red lines and incompetent negotiation that forced into her a corner - meaning there was little choice but to seek an extension to Article 50.

Then Boris lied his head off again, claiming he had an “oven-ready deal” - the warmed over remains of May’s deal, with key protections moved from the Withdrawal Agreement (legally binding) to the Political Statement (a statement of intent that can be changed by the party in Government).

Boris won the General Election on the promise of “getting Brexit done”. Brexit isn’t done at the end of 2020, it is years more negotiations with other nations and tariffs on trade that will cripple the economy. And Boris can stop it any time, by signing up to a deal or cancelling Brexit (which is no longer the will of the people, based on multiple opinion polls).
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It's going to be "interesting" then .. yesterday some news was saying more than likely they are ( or should ) be going to ask for "some other extension to the negotiations" because "UK can not afford a no-deal Brexit on the top of Covid" they fear it would be "total collapse" of UK if that would happen.

... we'll see what they will come out with then ...
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gilesgoat wrote:It's going to be "interesting" then .. yesterday some news was saying more than likely they are ( or should ) be going to ask for "some other extension to the negotiations" because "UK can not afford a no-deal Brexit on the top of Covid" they fear it would be "total collapse" of UK if that would happen.

... we'll see what they will come out with then ...
A total collapse of the UK would be interesting indeed... only just a few days of disruption and Sainsburys shelves are half empty.. will the EU swoop in to save us?
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(o)(o) wrote:This [French blocking UK ports] has absolutely nothing to do with Brexit.
Indeed. That's why it's in the coronavirus thread.

Although, I mean, it possibly does give us an early preview of what a "no deal" Brexit would probably have wrought on January 1st anyway and emphasises that, if the French want to be belligerent, they can easily cause us very serious headaches.
The mutated strain of Covid is being cited as the reason for the denial of entry, but what the public are being told does not necessarily correspond with what's going on behind the scenes.

I would say the blocking of ports 10 days before Glorious Brexit Day reeks very strongly of "Have a taste of what non-co-operation with your European neighbours might looks like."
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The sheer fact Boris has ruled out asking for an extension in the middle of this pandemic proves

a) how pig-headed he is
b) it’s all about the hedge funds & investors making a killing

Shares have dropped. The value of the pound has dropped. Supermarket shelves are already starting to look bare.
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Edit: supposedly most stores are stocked just fine.. it’s good Brexit Porn though isn’t it.
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We did our shop yesterday afternoon and if anything it was a bit less mental than usual Christmas week even though there were fewer tills open. No stock issues.
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Dio wrote:We did our shop yesterday afternoon and if anything it was a bit less mental than usual Christmas week even though there were fewer tills open. No stock issues.
I guess depends what part of "UK" you are, we did our xmas shopping 2 days ago, was a bit busy but fine. However in the same place ( Morrisons Carmarthen ) when Covid crap did start I have seen a situation similar to that pic, we don't know if it's going to repeat yet.

Depends how prepared the shops are I suppose.
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