Dunno what you’re on about Klaxxy haven’t seen the video.. but that bidet bottle uses a tiny amount of water seems likely to be far more environmentally friendly than paper..
(o)(o) wrote:It's all BS.. personally I suspect both sides are tryng to put on a show of hard bargaining, with ultimately Johnson and his cronies waiting for the right moment to pounce and sign a deal and be the hero who saved Britain from No Deal for Christmas ..
Are we getting it on Christmas Eve as seems likely is it really gonna be as choreographed as that?
Merry Brexit Everyone - The Oven Ready Turkey of a deal to you from Sir Winston Johnson
I am cooking stuff today .. I just noticed .. "Sage : MOROCCO" ... "Rosemary : MOROCCO" ... "Thyme : KENYA" ... "Celery : SPAIN" ..
.. the only 2 things I can see British are carrots and leeks ...
And this is from a store that claims to be "as much as possible local produce/uk friendly stuff" ...
[edit]- GETS WORSE .. "Morrisons ORGANIC GARLIC" ( no idea why I picked this up, I just picked "garlic" I found ) GB-ORG-04 a green leaf with stars .. EU/Non EU Agriculture ( so is it British ? ) .. but then you flip the label .. Grown in : CHINA !
Better not check the rest .. I think if it goes to WTO is going to be a huge mess ... then we'll see "how almost NOTHING is grown in UK ?".
"A bonfire of the regulations", the Brexiteers promised us.
But, well, to trade into the single market, we must - of course - comply with EU standards (over which we no longer have any say).
Now, if we add in some extraneous British regulations - to exercise our new "sovereignty" - then this compels UK businesses, interested in selling to the world's largest market, to both comply to EU rules AND UK rules as well.
That's potentially more regulation, not less. And it logically couldn't have been any other way.
I'm telling you, everything Brexiteers voted for will be betrayed.
Less regulation? No, it now requires both UK and EU regulations to be passed to trade with our biggest trading partners. At best, no better and, at worst, worse - as UK politicians exercise their "sovereignty" not to reduce the rules, but to add some extra ones on top of the ones you always have to comply with in the nations you want to sell into.
Less immigration? Well, leaving the EU has nothing to do with immigration from Pakistan and Indian and the Caribbean - from the Commonwealth - so the racists won't be best pleased that they've actually kicked out all the countries that are majority white (because all EU nations are). And, when we inevitably go economically down the pan - worse than previously predicted, as Covid was not a factor before - then we'll do as we've done many times before. We'll ask the Commonwealth to come rescue us. We'll invite them in.
I mean, for pity's sake, you silly racists, where do you think all the Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Indians, Irish, Jamaicans, etc. who're in this country came from? Not the EU. They came when we asked them to come, as we were economically fucked up and needed the extra hands. E.g. "Windrush".
State aid? From the Tories? With what money that we clearly don't have exactly? We'll be damned lucky to get all the EU funding we've lost restored by Westminster in the first place, much less any magical "windfall" on top of that.
We've lost Erasmus and the European educational structures. The EU were happy to keep that in, at no extra cost, but Boris wanted to "look tough" and "sovereign" or something, so refused it.
The Brexiteers have a revised version of history where we didn't join the EU in the first place, because we were "the poor man of Europe". So they don't seem to understand that we'll go back to that, not some wild fantasy about "the Glory of the British Empire".
Sturgeon's already set out that the SNP will be seeking Scottish independence to rejoin the EU. And, the way things have gone and the opinion polls are going, they'll get it in any vote. So the irony will be that UKIP will kill the political union of the UK, and the Union Flag they wave will be rendered obsolete.
Irish reunification is, of course, a harder call that I would never feel bold enough to predict. But it could well happen, as folks you'd think would never talk about it have talked about it, and they're on the front line of this disaster, thrown away as a sacrifice to the altar of Brexit. Certainly, they are pissed off.
Biden's Irish and Catholic. When the BBC called to him to congratulate him on his election victory, he heard "BBC" and then his response was "I'm Irish". Not "Irish American", but flat out "I'm Irish". And the Democrats already threatened to sink any trade deal with the US, unless the Good Friday Agreement - that they brokered, remember - holds strong (a deal with the EU might satisfy this, but we have to see what happens on the ground).
Brexit is a prayer to the gods of irony. And they'll grant them everything they didn't want as reward, as that's what the gods of irony do, of course. This is a latter day version of the moral tale of King Midas, failing - in his greed - to be careful what he wished for.
"Words ought to be a little wild - for they are assaults of thought on the unthinking."
- John Maynard Keynes
Less immigration? Well, leaving the EU has nothing to do with immigration from Pakistan and Indian and the Caribbean - from the Commonwealth - so the racists won't be best pleased that they've actually kicked out all the countries that are majority white (because all EU nations are). And, when we inevitably go economically down the pan - worse than previously predicted, as Covid was not a factor before - then we'll do as we've done many times before. We'll ask the Commonwealth to come rescue us. We'll invite them in.
I mean, for pity's sake, you silly racists, where do you think all the Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Indians, Irish, Jamaicans, etc. who're in this country came from? Not the EU. They came when we asked them to come, as we were economically fucked up and needed the extra hands. E.g. "Windrush".
*SNIP*
I think ( or hope ) they knew that, that "going out of EU" has nothing to do with stuff that is NOT EU.
But certainly "you've killed a lot of EU workers" the more I read the more is clear that "all this was really to get rid of EU people" not the other ones, it would appear then "you have more problems with EU than with the rest of the world".
I don't know, time will tell but it's a very sad signs of times that "instead of a more open world we are having a world that is clamming back again" .. add to all this on top Covid and the future really looks pretty grim.
Maybe had to happen, maybe don't know, it certainly does not feel good.
I really hope there's really no one, in 2020, thinking that "there has to be an empire" because otherwise we are really going into "Star Wars territory" .. what do you do ? You start colonising again ?
Mah .. the future really does not look bright, actually "who the heck can even see or think what the future in general is goign to be ?" ..
KlaxonCow wrote:Less immigration? Well, leaving the EU has nothing to do with immigration from Pakistan and Indian and the Caribbean - from the Commonwealth - so the racists won't be best pleased that they've actually kicked out all the countries that are majority white
Among them are xenophobes who despise the Polish, Romanians, eastern europeans in gernal, don't forget the German (who won the war anyway?) and French.
IME Brexitloons may associate Brexit with things like. control of refugees on rubber dingies, and regaining our sovrign rite to control sharia law courts - which have been allowed to rule parts of britain because of 'Poitically correct' EU laws ...
This is the sort of fantasy bollocks that many Daily Mail readers thrive on.
Cloudane wrote:Well thank fuck we have a deal at least. Brexit may not be what we wanted at all, but the collapse of the UK wasn't a particularly palatable thought
The collapse of the UK has been ongoing for some time. All this means is it won't happen fast enough for people to sit up and take notice, and maybe vote for someone who'll stop it.
Cloudane wrote:Well thank fuck we have a deal at least. Brexit may not be what we wanted at all, but the collapse of the UK wasn't a particularly palatable thought
The collapse of the UK has been ongoing for some time. All this means is it won't happen fast enough for people to sit up and take notice, and maybe vote for someone who'll stop it.
Cloudane wrote:Well thank fuck we have a deal at least. Brexit may not be what we wanted at all, but the collapse of the UK wasn't a particularly palatable thought
The collapse of the UK has been ongoing for some time. All this means is it won't happen fast enough for people to sit up and take notice, and maybe vote for someone who'll stop it.
This deal is a trojan horse - the Tories have fitted us up so they can burn regulations, with only some arbitration process that can be called into effect but nothing to stop this lawless rogue government from Unchaining their Fantasy Britannia.. the freemarket-zealot dystopian neoliberalist vision of an offshore, singapore styled money laundering haven / hub, with caribbean grade opaque oversight, a withering central government, 21st century styled serfdom, and authoritarian executive trampling on parliamentary democracy and law and order...
It's no coincidence that four of the fucking authors of that book (which everyone should read) were appointed to the cabinet.
Already the groundwork has been done on bludgeoning the judiciary - soon the Tories will be able to commit illegal acts without recourse from the British public. Literal tyranny.
The collapse as you say - ongoing. The public have been misdirected..
No deal was always a last resort theatric to force the agenda of delaminating "Britannia" from the shackles of EU legislation.
Cloudane wrote:Well thank fuck we have a deal at least.
Cloudane wrote:Well thank fuck we have a deal at least. Brexit may not be what we wanted at all, but the collapse of the UK wasn't a particularly palatable thought
The collapse of the UK has been ongoing for some time. All this means is it won't happen fast enough for people to sit up and take notice, and maybe vote for someone who'll stop it.
This deal is a trojan horse - the Tories have fitted us up so they can burn regulations, with only some arbitration process that can be called into effect but nothing to stop this lawless rogue government from Unchaining their Fantasy Britannia.. the freemarket-zealot dystopian neoliberalist vision of an offshore, singapore styled money laundering haven / hub, with caribbean grade opaque oversight, a withering central government, 21st century styled serfdom, and authoritarian executive trampling on parliamentary democracy and law and order...
It's no coincidence that four of the fucking authors of that book (which everyone should read) were appointed to the cabinet.
Already the groundwork has been done on bludgeoning the judiciary - soon the Tories will be able to commit illegal acts without recourse from the British public. Literal tyranny.
The collapse as you say - ongoing. The public have been misdirected..
No deal was always a last resort theatric to force the agenda of delaminating "Britannia" from the shackles of EU legislation.
Cloudane wrote:Well thank fuck we have a deal at least.
That's what they want the public to think.
Ground down with threats.
Passive in acceptance.
You forgot to say that from now on, ANYTHING that will go bad/not as good as it should it's ALL because it's an EU FAULT !
Cloudane wrote:Well thank fuck we have a deal at least. Brexit may not be what we wanted at all, but the collapse of the UK wasn't a particularly palatable thought
The collapse of the UK has been ongoing for some time. All this means is it won't happen fast enough for people to sit up and take notice, and maybe vote for someone who'll stop it.
This deal is a trojan horse - the Tories have fitted us up so they can burn regulations, with only some arbitration process that can be called into effect but nothing to stop this lawless rogue government from Unchaining their Fantasy Britannia.. the freemarket-zealot dystopian neoliberalist vision of an offshore, singapore styled money laundering haven / hub, with caribbean grade opaque oversight, a withering central government, 21st century styled serfdom, and authoritarian executive trampling on parliamentary democracy and law and order...
It's no coincidence that four of the fucking authors of that book (which everyone should read) were appointed to the cabinet.
Already the groundwork has been done on bludgeoning the judiciary - soon the Tories will be able to commit illegal acts without recourse from the British public. Literal tyranny.
The collapse as you say - ongoing. The public have been misdirected..
No deal was always a last resort theatric to force the agenda of delaminating "Britannia" from the shackles of EU legislation.
Cloudane wrote:Well thank fuck we have a deal at least.
That's what they want the public to think.
Ground down with threats.
Passive in acceptance.
You forgot to say that from now on, ANYTHING that will go bad/not as good as it should it's ALL because it's an EU FAULT !
