EU referendum are you in or out

[F-ZeroOne]

The fact Winston Churchill had an American mother does, I suspect, come as a surprise to a lot of people. He was also an ardent Francophile (even if de Gualle drove him nuts).

[rowan]

I see Northern Ireland Protocol's in the news due to it being seen as a backdoor from EU->UK for vaccine trade.
As soon as I read what NIP was all about [basically NI can trade with EU as a member state but they can also trade with UK domestically] I figured it's going to be difficult to stop the passing of goods between.

Still busy with it, turns out there's quite a lot of code that does different things depending on EU membership or not, that needs enhancing to consider region [county] to determine that now.

[F-ZeroOne]

The EU probably acted rashly and should have thought harder about the implications of this, and they've probably given Brexit supporters ammunition for years to come, but this one (admittedly major) issue doesn't mean that all the other issues caused by Brexit are automatically invalidated.

[merman]

The fact Winston Churchill had an American mother does, I suspect, come as a surprise to a lot of people. He was also an ardent Francophile (even if de Gualle drove him nuts).

Never lose sight of the fact that Churchill - British patriot, wartime leader and Nobel Prize winner - wanted a united Federal States of Europe.

[Harlequin]

The EU probably acted rashly and should have thought harder about the implications of this, and they've probably given Brexit supporters ammunition for years to come, but this one (admittedly major) issue doesn't mean that all the other issues caused by Brexit are automatically invalidated.

Indeed. We have known that the EU has a great many flaws. The Perfect, however, can be the enemy of the Good. Storming out makes far less sense to me than being inside and enjoying the benefits while working to improve it.

[The ghost of raids past]

The fact Winston Churchill had an American mother does, I suspect, come as a surprise to a lot of people. He was also an ardent Francophile (even if de Gualle drove him nuts).

Never lose sight of the fact that Churchill - British patriot, wartime leader and Nobel Prize winner - wanted a united Federal States of Europe.

From wikipedia

Churchill used the term "United States of Europe" in a speech delivered on 19 September 1946 at the University of Zurich, Switzerland.[21] In this speech given after the end of the Second World War, Churchill concluded:

We must build a kind of United States of Europe. In this way only will hundreds of millions of toilers be able to regain the simple joys and hopes which make life worth living.[22]

Churchill's was a more cautious approach ("the unionist position") to European integration than was the continental approach that was known as "the federalist position".[23] The Federalists advocated full integration with a constitution, while the Unionist United Europe Movement advocated a consultative body and the Federalists prevailed at the Congress of Europe.[23] The primary accomplishment of the Congress of Europe was the European Court of Human Rights, which predates the European Union.[24]

Churchill did not want a federal United States of Europe

[(o)(o)]

So as the utility bills soar..

The Petrol forecourts close..

The supermarket shelves empty..

"The EU was always going to punish us!!"

Strong and Stable..

[PFVA]

To be fair in terms of electricity costs they are going thru the roof at least in Portugal, Spain, and France. There is a big fuss going about that.

[(o)(o)]

What is the cost of a kW/hr to a consumer there?

There's a very expensive competition going on in the UK over who can market and profit from any particular piece of gas.

Plus our government decided not to repair or replace a storage facility that needed some work on in 2017 so we have very little redundancy. The industry said :



Food prices are rapidly rising quickly in Britain too.

In recent times the poorest had to choose between food and heating.

Now they get to not have both.

[gilesgoat]

What's the cost in UK ?

In Italy we consider electic power "very expensive", it goes "in stages", the more you consume the more you pay over certain thresholds ( i.e. up to a threshold is X per kw/H, then Y, then Z and so on .. has kinda of an 'exponential cost' ).

According to what I just found it says :

For powers up to 6 kW

FROM 0,19 €/kWh to 0,48 €/kWh

What "fucks you up" in Italy is not just ther per Kw/H cost but also "various fixes taxes" and VAT applied and other things, so on the top of what you actually consume there are "fixed costs" that are NOT little.

Here you can see some table : https://puntienergia.com/guida/domande- ... -3-o-45-kw

I THINK I have 3KW in my house.

I found this "to get an idea" they seem to say ( it's complex ) that assuming you use 2700Kw/H / year on a 3Kw contract that is going to cost you 587 eur at the end of the year.

https://luce-gas.it/guida/bolletta/luce ... -variabili

NO IDEA what are "Arim" and "Asos" and why it costs 105 eur per year ( according to that ) "for management of the power meter" ..

I don't have any italian electric bill with me here but I'll check at some point ...

[edit] - it seems those "trasporto-t1/t2/t3" is "things you pay variable depending on distance for the transportation of your energy from one power station to another and/or your house", it's really they are making us paying "for how much distance the power has to run on the cables to reach us" ...

The more cable distance "from the source point to the destination" the more you pay, it seems ...

[(o)(o)]

Interesting data!

Here you can see some table : https://puntienergia.com/guida/domande- ... -3-o-45-kw

WTF this is so confusing.

I'll try an do some comparison later.

[gilesgoat]

Interesting data!

Here you can see some table : https://puntienergia.com/guida/domande- ... -3-o-45-kw

WTF this is so confusing.

I'll try an do some comparison later.

In Italy NOTHING IS SIMPLE...

The idea is that the cost of energy per Kw/H DEPENDS on :

1. what is the max amount of power you can get ( that you established when you set up the contract )

2. how much KW/h you consume, it has "various thresholds", every time you go to over the N+1 threshold the cost per Kw/H INCREASE

3. what time of day/months/etc.

4. other variables

5. whatever the current politicians have in mind ...

[edit] - if you want something INSANE don't even start me on that that is computed "on an incredible number of variables ALWAYS variable", every year they decide 'a new way to compute it', it the garbage collection tax .. which is "enormous" and varies from town to town ...

[PFVA]

What is the cost of a kW/hr to a consumer there?

There's a very expensive competition going on in the UK over who can market and profit from any particular piece of gas.

It's quite variable depending on how much energy one uses. If one uses more one pays more for the Kw too.As far as I could find out it averaged 0.14€ back in April.


The problem seems to be that there is historic maximums in the Iberian market with costs of more than 150€ for MWh. After an increase in July there is another one coming Oct 1st. The 2 combined result in an increase between 5% and 6% on the bill that's for the regulated one, which is my case. I haven't opted out of it. The non regulated ones are increasing too.

[rowan]

In Italy NOTHING IS SIMPLE...

Yeah I certainly found that.
Simple yes/no questions result in a gathering of adjacent co-workers, a discussion that at times - naively to me at least - seems verging on physical attack.
Only to be told 20 minutes later "yes", "no", or more often "we have 5 or 6 other scenarios".

Lots of talk on things that don't matter, little or nothing on things that are essential.

[Ollie]

I'm a bit worried because my energy provider sent me an email a few weeks ago, the usual "your tariff is ending" thing, and saying they'd switch me to a new tariff costing just over 30% more (still the cheapest option for me according to the comparison sites at the time). I just had a look on their website and their cheapest tariff now available is damn near double what I'm currently paying. The new tariff is due to start next month, so I really hope they're going to honour the price mentioned in the email, as I've not heard otherwise from them in the meantime.