Official Nintendo Fanboy Smugness & Gloating Thread

supermonkeyworld · Post by **supermonkeyworld** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:51 pm 0

Am I right in saying modern VHS tapes are "superior" to Betamax?

Darkflame · Post by **Darkflame** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:07 pm 0

Yet again ,depends how you weight the critera

Betamax caught up with VHS play lengths, but after it was too late from what I understand. So the last betamax's were probably better then current VHS.
But then,current VHS's are cheaper/durable ect.

Not to mention Digital VHS, which was a pretty nice format really. (sure, it was bulky and you still had to rewind, but backwards compatibility, recording as standard, and not having forced adverts...I cant help but wonder what it would be like if it became the standard rather then dvds)

Marius wrote:
Darkflame wrote:Well,depends what "advanced" means.

Didn't VHS have longer tapes first? making them more "advanced" in perhapes the most key area?
Betamax had both better sound and picture, so in that regard, it was more advanced...but VHS proved that having technically superior .

I knew that actualy

But that was my point, they were "advanced" in areas, that ultimately, didnt mater to the public.
At least, not as much as being able to record a whole movie.

With consoles its a question of, does image advancement mater so much as advancement in controll terms? Does raw power over advantages over cheaper system and games? And how do pratical factors like size and power consumption come into it? Do they mater at all?

I think calling some things "more advanced" or "more technicaly advanced" is an over simplification.
Things are advanced in some areas, might be retro in others.

something we saw again with the Megadrive and the SNES, where I seem to remember that the megadrive was the more powerful console.

Faster clockspeed, but no Mode7
Probably all sorts of other factors involved too.

Marius · Post by **Marius** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:13 pm 0

Ten years ago it seems like graphics were everything, but we have reached a level where they are more than adequate, at least for most gamers. I for one am more than satisfied with what GC offered, and the 360 is far beyond that, so the PS3 being more advanced means absolutely nothing to me, a view I believe I share with plenty others.

The same goes for the Blue-Ray format as well, since it's not the revolution DVD was, but merely an evolution of the same technology...or, at least it will seem that way to the majority of customers.

Most people are quite content with the DVD-format, so I don't really see people trampling each other to get first in line.

Nintendo's surprisingly successful DS proves my point, something I hope the Wii will underscore as well.

Darkflame · Post by **Darkflame** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:25 pm 0

exactly.
Its diminished returns.

The DVD was a leap above VHS in terms of practicality, as well as quality.
And, normally, when consoles have got more powerful we have seen new genres become possible for the first time.
That's not going to happen at all this new gen, and (arguably) it didn't really happen last gen either.
More power makes more things possible, but it gets less each time.
Its now 99% more about refining what we got...there's no big leaps, only subtle refinements to the overall gameplay expirence, imo.

Stevo · Post by **Stevo** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:22 am 0

For the Aussies...............
Pre-order a Wii at Toys 'R' Us with a $50 deposit and get a free
game when you pick it up in November....6th of November is
the rumoured release date here in Oz

http://www.toysrus.com.au/site/default.htm

Post by **Snakey** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:29 am 0

Darkflame wrote:Faster clockspeed, but no Mode7

More7 sucked anyway.

supermonkeyworld wrote:Am I right in saying modern VHS tapes are "superior" to Betamax?

What's a "modern VHS tape" ?

Jamesac · Post by **Jamesac** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 5:28 am 0

VHS... Oh right, that stuff you record tv on to!

Mode 7 was great, in the games that used it well. I still remember the rush from flying over the FFIII world map in the airship.

Nintendo is treating Australia right? I thought that section of the world was the very last consideration for every console manufacturer ever. Nice to see them getting such a good deal running. I'd take it myself if it was available in the US.

James

ESY · Post by **ESY** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 5:57 am 0

Snakey wrote:
Darkflame wrote:Faster clockspeed, but no Mode7
More7 sucked anyway.

supermonkeyworld wrote:Am I right in saying modern VHS tapes are "superior" to Betamax?
What's a "modern VHS tape" ?

Probotector?!

Marius · Post by **Marius** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:37 am 0

Darkflame wrote:exactly.
Its diminished returns.

The DVD was a leap above VHS in terms of practicality, as well as quality.
And, normally, when consoles have got more powerful we have seen new genres become possible for the first time.
That's not going to happen at all this new gen, and (arguably) it didn't really happen last gen either.
More power makes more things possible, but it gets less each time.
Its now 99% more about refining what we got...there's no big leaps, only subtle refinements to the overall gameplay expirence, imo.

To me it seems like Nintendo is doing the only leaping this generation with their new console/controller, Sony and Microsoft are playing it pretty safe...although one could argue that Sony is gambling with the Blue-Ray format and the final pricetag.

The 360 has given me the injection I needed this generation regarding next-gen graphics, so I say bring on the Wii

Kemper_Boyd · Post by **Kemper_Boyd** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 9:03 am 0

Marius wrote:To me it seems like Nintendo is doing the only leaping this generation with their new console/controller, Sony and Microsoft are playing it pretty safe...although one could argue that Sony is gambling with the Blue-Ray format and the final pricetag.

Sony are playing it safe? I'm sure their board would disagree.

namor7 · Post by **namor7** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:07 am 0

Snakey wrote:Mode7 sucked anyway.

NOOO!!!!

Mode7 was one of my main weapons used to fight Nintendo VS Sega on the playground in fifth grade!!

Samus · Post by **Samus** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 1:09 pm 0

IGN posted vids from Sonic Wii:

http://streamingmovies.ign.com/wii/arti ... owwide.wmv

http://streamingmovies.ign.com/wii/arti ... owwide.wmv

Looks nice, nothing in there makes me want to play it though, the gameplay seems pretty standard.

namor7 · Post by **namor7** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:03 pm 0

Samus wrote:IGN posted vids from Sonic Wii:

http://streamingmovies.ign.com/wii/arti ... owwide.wmv

http://streamingmovies.ign.com/wii/arti ... owwide.wmv

Looks nice, nothing in there makes me want to play it though, the gameplay seems pretty standard.

Woah, seriously? It's the first Sonic game I've *EVER* really wanted to play since Genesis. The way you play with controller tilt just sounds awesome, and totally Sonic. I'm so glad it's on rails. The locales look awesome, too. Not crazy about the urban landscapes in the free roaming platform Sonic game being developed for PS3 and 360.

The vids are awesome, too. Some who've played both Wildfire and the PS3/360 Sonic game actually say Wildfire looks better

Darkflame · Post by **Darkflame** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:51 pm 0

The point was Mode7 allowed the snes to do things the megadrive couldnt, despite its clockspeed.
Likewise, the mega drives clock speed let it do stuff the snes couldn't.

eg. A port of Sonic1 on the Snes wouldn't work too well, a port of Mario Kart on the megadrive wouldn't work too well.

(obviously discounting the "put a chip in the cart" techique).

Kemper_Boyd wrote:
Marius wrote:To me it seems like Nintendo is doing the only leaping this generation with their new console/controller, Sony and Microsoft are playing it pretty safe...although one could argue that Sony is gambling with the Blue-Ray format and the final pricetag.
Sony are playing it safe? I'm sure their board would disagree.

I think his comment was fair.
Sony are certainly putting all their egg's into the bluray basket, gambling the PS3 along with it.

But as far as the console and end consumer goes its safe
Its just:
PS3 + More power

Just like the PS2 was
PS1 + More power

An oversimplification maybe, but when it comes down to it, that's how all the console buyers will see it.
Sony is playing to what they know has traditionaly sold consoles.
Nintendos taken a gamble that people will want to try something untested.

Jamesac · Post by **Jamesac** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:58 pm 0

I didn't get to play Wii Sonic, but PS3/360 Sonic sucked pretty hard. Just a warning for anyone still holding out hope for the new one on those systems.

James