Official Nintendo Fanboy Smugness & Gloating Thread
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Yet again ,depends how you weight the critera 
Betamax caught up with VHS play lengths, but after it was too late from what I understand. So the last betamax's were probably better then current VHS.
But then,current VHS's are cheaper/durable ect.
Not to mention Digital VHS, which was a pretty nice format really. (sure, it was bulky and you still had to rewind, but backwards compatibility, recording as standard, and not having forced adverts...I cant help but wonder what it would be like if it became the standard rather then dvds)

But that was my point, they were "advanced" in areas, that ultimately, didnt mater to the public.
At least, not as much as being able to record a whole movie.
With consoles its a question of, does image advancement mater so much as advancement in controll terms? Does raw power over advantages over cheaper system and games? And how do pratical factors like size and power consumption come into it? Do they mater at all?
I think calling some things "more advanced" or "more technicaly advanced" is an over simplification.
Things are advanced in some areas, might be retro in others.
Probably all sorts of other factors involved too.
Betamax caught up with VHS play lengths, but after it was too late from what I understand. So the last betamax's were probably better then current VHS.
But then,current VHS's are cheaper/durable ect.
Not to mention Digital VHS, which was a pretty nice format really. (sure, it was bulky and you still had to rewind, but backwards compatibility, recording as standard, and not having forced adverts...I cant help but wonder what it would be like if it became the standard rather then dvds)
I knew that actualyMarius wrote:Betamax had both better sound and picture, so in that regard, it was more advanced...but VHS proved that having technically superior .Darkflame wrote:Well,depends what "advanced" means.
Didn't VHS have longer tapes first? making them more "advanced" in perhapes the most key area?
But that was my point, they were "advanced" in areas, that ultimately, didnt mater to the public.
At least, not as much as being able to record a whole movie.
With consoles its a question of, does image advancement mater so much as advancement in controll terms? Does raw power over advantages over cheaper system and games? And how do pratical factors like size and power consumption come into it? Do they mater at all?
I think calling some things "more advanced" or "more technicaly advanced" is an over simplification.
Things are advanced in some areas, might be retro in others.
Faster clockspeed, but no Mode7something we saw again with the Megadrive and the SNES, where I seem to remember that the megadrive was the more powerful console.
Probably all sorts of other factors involved too.
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Ten years ago it seems like graphics were everything, but we have reached a level where they are more than adequate, at least for most gamers. I for one am more than satisfied with what GC offered, and the 360 is far beyond that, so the PS3 being more advanced means absolutely nothing to me, a view I believe I share with plenty others.
The same goes for the Blue-Ray format as well, since it's not the revolution DVD was, but merely an evolution of the same technology...or, at least it will seem that way to the majority of customers.
Most people are quite content with the DVD-format, so I don't really see people trampling each other to get first in line.
Nintendo's surprisingly successful DS proves my point, something I hope the Wii will underscore as well.
The same goes for the Blue-Ray format as well, since it's not the revolution DVD was, but merely an evolution of the same technology...or, at least it will seem that way to the majority of customers.
Most people are quite content with the DVD-format, so I don't really see people trampling each other to get first in line.
Nintendo's surprisingly successful DS proves my point, something I hope the Wii will underscore as well.
exactly.
Its diminished returns.
The DVD was a leap above VHS in terms of practicality, as well as quality.
And, normally, when consoles have got more powerful we have seen new genres become possible for the first time.
That's not going to happen at all this new gen, and (arguably) it didn't really happen last gen either.
More power makes more things possible, but it gets less each time.
Its now 99% more about refining what we got...there's no big leaps, only subtle refinements to the overall gameplay expirence, imo.
Its diminished returns.
The DVD was a leap above VHS in terms of practicality, as well as quality.
And, normally, when consoles have got more powerful we have seen new genres become possible for the first time.
That's not going to happen at all this new gen, and (arguably) it didn't really happen last gen either.
More power makes more things possible, but it gets less each time.
Its now 99% more about refining what we got...there's no big leaps, only subtle refinements to the overall gameplay expirence, imo.
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For the Aussies...............
Pre-order a Wii at Toys 'R' Us with a $50 deposit and get a free
game when you pick it up in November....6th of November is
the rumoured release date here in Oz
http://www.toysrus.com.au/site/default.htm
Pre-order a Wii at Toys 'R' Us with a $50 deposit and get a free
game when you pick it up in November....6th of November is
the rumoured release date here in Oz
http://www.toysrus.com.au/site/default.htm
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VHS... Oh right, that stuff you record tv on to!
Mode 7 was great, in the games that used it well. I still remember the rush from flying over the FFIII world map in the airship.
Nintendo is treating Australia right? I thought that section of the world was the very last consideration for every console manufacturer ever. Nice to see them getting such a good deal running. I'd take it myself if it was available in the US.
James
Mode 7 was great, in the games that used it well. I still remember the rush from flying over the FFIII world map in the airship.
Nintendo is treating Australia right? I thought that section of the world was the very last consideration for every console manufacturer ever. Nice to see them getting such a good deal running. I'd take it myself if it was available in the US.
James
To me it seems like Nintendo is doing the only leaping this generation with their new console/controller, Sony and Microsoft are playing it pretty safe...although one could argue that Sony is gambling with the Blue-Ray format and the final pricetag.Darkflame wrote:exactly.
Its diminished returns.
The DVD was a leap above VHS in terms of practicality, as well as quality.
And, normally, when consoles have got more powerful we have seen new genres become possible for the first time.
That's not going to happen at all this new gen, and (arguably) it didn't really happen last gen either.
More power makes more things possible, but it gets less each time.
Its now 99% more about refining what we got...there's no big leaps, only subtle refinements to the overall gameplay expirence, imo.
The 360 has given me the injection I needed this generation regarding next-gen graphics, so I say bring on the Wii
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Sony are playing it safe? I'm sure their board would disagree.Marius wrote:To me it seems like Nintendo is doing the only leaping this generation with their new console/controller, Sony and Microsoft are playing it pretty safe...although one could argue that Sony is gambling with the Blue-Ray format and the final pricetag.
IGN posted vids from Sonic Wii:
http://streamingmovies.ign.com/wii/arti ... owwide.wmv
http://streamingmovies.ign.com/wii/arti ... owwide.wmv
Looks nice, nothing in there makes me want to play it though, the gameplay seems pretty standard.
http://streamingmovies.ign.com/wii/arti ... owwide.wmv
http://streamingmovies.ign.com/wii/arti ... owwide.wmv
Looks nice, nothing in there makes me want to play it though, the gameplay seems pretty standard.
Woah, seriously? It's the first Sonic game I've *EVER* really wanted to play since Genesis. The way you play with controller tilt just sounds awesome, and totally Sonic. I'm so glad it's on rails. The locales look awesome, too. Not crazy about the urban landscapes in the free roaming platform Sonic game being developed for PS3 and 360.Samus wrote:IGN posted vids from Sonic Wii:
http://streamingmovies.ign.com/wii/arti ... owwide.wmv
http://streamingmovies.ign.com/wii/arti ... owwide.wmv
Looks nice, nothing in there makes me want to play it though, the gameplay seems pretty standard.
The vids are awesome, too. Some who've played both Wildfire and the PS3/360 Sonic game actually say Wildfire looks better
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The point was Mode7 allowed the snes to do things the megadrive couldnt, despite its clockspeed.
Likewise, the mega drives clock speed let it do stuff the snes couldn't.
eg. A port of Sonic1 on the Snes wouldn't work too well, a port of Mario Kart on the megadrive wouldn't work too well.
(obviously discounting the "put a chip in the cart" techique).
Sony are certainly putting all their egg's into the bluray basket, gambling the PS3 along with it.
But as far as the console and end consumer goes its safe
Its just:
PS3 + More power
Just like the PS2 was
PS1 + More power
An oversimplification maybe, but when it comes down to it, that's how all the console buyers will see it.
Sony is playing to what they know has traditionaly sold consoles.
Nintendos taken a gamble that people will want to try something untested.
Likewise, the mega drives clock speed let it do stuff the snes couldn't.
eg. A port of Sonic1 on the Snes wouldn't work too well, a port of Mario Kart on the megadrive wouldn't work too well.
(obviously discounting the "put a chip in the cart" techique).
I think his comment was fair.Kemper_Boyd wrote:Sony are playing it safe? I'm sure their board would disagree.Marius wrote:To me it seems like Nintendo is doing the only leaping this generation with their new console/controller, Sony and Microsoft are playing it pretty safe...although one could argue that Sony is gambling with the Blue-Ray format and the final pricetag.
Sony are certainly putting all their egg's into the bluray basket, gambling the PS3 along with it.
But as far as the console and end consumer goes its safe
Its just:
PS3 + More power
Just like the PS2 was
PS1 + More power
An oversimplification maybe, but when it comes down to it, that's how all the console buyers will see it.
Sony is playing to what they know has traditionaly sold consoles.
Nintendos taken a gamble that people will want to try something untested.
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