The 360 thread!

Mr Meow · Post by **Mr Meow** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:35 pm 0

Wife_Of_Snake wrote:Just because you think short games are a con, doesn't mean others do

I would say 75% of gamers feel that way. People hate short games.
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gilesgoat · Post by **gilesgoat** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:35 pm 0

Flabio wrote:I shouldnt' be so flippant, even when I'm drunk. Was just picking up on Giles saying "thanks to those so big you didn't see unity" in reply to someone saying Lionhead was big...

Want a fight mister

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Yak · Post by **Yak** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:36 pm 0

teamonkey wrote:
Mr Meow wrote:I hate short game simple because its feels like a whizz.
Simple answer - don't play them. There's more than enough out there for all tastes.

anyway, how do you define "short"? what if I give you a game where the experience of playing it is different every time, where even if you finished all the "levels" (if I decide there should be an end) you still want to play because it feels good?

In fact a game which has no replay value, which when you've taken one path through it is just discarded as "done", strikes me as *fearfully* retro. Even if it takes 40 hours, if 40 hours is all you get, what's the fun in that?

I want people to return to my games because they become engaged with a thing of beauty, not just to go through some sequence of steps and then chuck it away.

And maybe that's part of why you don't understand even one bit what I'm trying to do.

Sir_LANs-a-lot · Post by **Sir_LANs-a-lot** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:37 pm 0

Wife_Of_Snake wrote:Just because you think short games are a con, doesn't mean others do

Indeed. If you like long games, then give up computer games and stick with D&D or Chess by mail.

@Meow: You're not looking forward to Yaks game. We get it. Some of us are.

Can we moo-ve the fuck on now and restore this thread to it's intended topic.

-KThx.

gilesgoat · Post by **gilesgoat** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:38 pm 0

Sir_LANs-a-lot wrote:
Wife_Of_Snake wrote:Just because you think short games are a con, doesn't mean others do
Indeed. If you like long games, then give up computer games and stick with D&D or Chess by mail.

@Meow: You're not looking forward to Yaks game. We get it. Some of us are.

Can we moo-ve the fuck on now and restore this thread to it's intended topic.

-KThx.

Good call, this thread is nto for that, I'd leave further discussion on this
subject (if any) on PMs only or emails (if really needed).

Don't say I did not say it

MrsSnake · Post by **MrsSnake** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:38 pm 0

Sir_LANs-a-lot wrote: Can we moo-ve the fuck on now and restore this thread to it's intended topic.

I'm nearly finished Cloning Clyde. The last two levels are a right bugger though!

i'm going to play it on hard mode next for a laugh!

Sir_LANs-a-lot · Post by **Sir_LANs-a-lot** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:39 pm 0

Mr Meow wrote:
Wife_Of_Snake wrote:Just because you think short games are a con, doesn't mean others do
I would say 75% of gamers feel that way. People hate short games.
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You are the king of wrong.

gilesgoat · Post by **gilesgoat** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:39 pm 0

Sir_LANs-a-lot wrote:
Mr Meow wrote:
Wife_Of_Snake wrote:Just because you think short games are a con, doesn't mean others do
I would say 75% of gamers feel that way. People hate short games.
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You are the king of wrong.

In PMs or email .. let's leave this thread for what it is

Yak · Post by **Yak** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:41 pm 0

Anyway: I love XBLA. Rarely get to play much xbox these days bit I'm going to make time for it this weekend. Not checked out the new platformer yet but looking forward to trying the demo

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Sir_LANs-a-lot · Post by **Sir_LANs-a-lot** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:41 pm 0

gilesgoat wrote:
Sir_LANs-a-lot wrote:
Mr Meow wrote:
Wife_Of_Snake wrote:Just because you think short games are a con, doesn't mean others do
I would say 75% of gamers feel that way. People hate short games.
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You are the king of wrong.
In PMs or email .. let's leave this thread for what it is

Fur enuff.

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:43 pm 0

Yak wrote:Anyway: I love XBLA. Rarely get to play much xbox these days bit I'm going to make time for it this weekend. Not checked out the new platformer yet but looking forward to trying the demo .

You get to bounce around on the back of a sheep.

Yak · Post by **Yak** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:43 pm 0

HGFB wrote:
Yak wrote:Anyway: I love XBLA. Rarely get to play much xbox these days bit I'm going to make time for it this weekend. Not checked out the new platformer yet but looking forward to trying the demo .
You get to bounce around on the back of a sheep.

Mr Meow · Post by **Mr Meow** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:44 pm 0

Yak wrote: what if I give you a game where the experience of playing it is different every time, where even if you finished all the "levels" (if I decide there should be an end) you still want to play because it feels good?

In fact a game which has no replay value, which when you've taken one path through it is just discarded as "done", strikes me as *fearfully* retro. Even if it takes 40 hours, if 40 hours is all you get, what's the fun in that?

I want people to return to my games because they become engaged with a thing of beauty, not just to go through some sequence of steps and then chuck it away.

And maybe that's part of why you don't understand even one bit what I'm trying to

Then I would think that you were a crap game designer/programer. Oblivion wasn't repetive. I think of at least 100 games that are not. You don't need to be repetive to create a long game. If going to make short games that are ten hours long change the price. don't charge full price, is all I'm saying.

Yak wrote:way, how do you define "short"?

Anything that is less than 15-20 hours.
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MrsSnake · Post by **MrsSnake** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:44 pm 0

You also get to be a sheep

Flabio · Post by **Flabio** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:44 pm 0

I still don't think Cloning Clyde is very good. But each to their own. Looking forward to Castle Crashers anyway.