EU referendum are you in or out

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EU Are you IN or OUT

In
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77%
Out
21
17%
Undecided (shake it all about)
8
6%
 
Total votes: 127

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Dio wrote:It's a truly disastrous look for Labour to refuse a GE though.
Yeah, because who doesn't want No Deal left on the table!! You do realise that's the sole reason Labour aren't playing along with Cummings scheming.
Absolute_Zero wrote:As for a Tory/Lib-Dem pact... how could a party committed to revoking Art. 50 join with the Tories?
1. You're assuming that Johnson's primary goal isn't to be "King of the World"?
2. Trust LibDem commitments!! You're having a larf...

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Passing over the drivel and tears...

The government has announced that if today’s election motion fails it will introduce an “almost identical” bill to that which the Lib Dems and SNP were proposing over the weekend for a December 9 election.

Let's see how "almost identical" it is.
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Absolute_Zero wrote:Passing over the drivel and tears...
You're a LibDem member/supporter aren't you?
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I'll answer after you've un-dodged my earlier point that...

Corbyn, Lansman (Momentum) et al are known to be up for an election... it's the Party as a whole that is aghast/against.

So as a devoted ista, what are you wailing about? ...beyond possibly misogynistic ravings against a "Mad Bitch". (she sure got you limp dicks in a tizzy)
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Absolute_Zero wrote:I'll answer after you've un-dodged my earlier point that...

Corbyn, Lansman (Momentum) et al are known to be up for an election... it's the Party as a whole that is aghast/against.
You made up that last bit.

Labour is clear about this. Get no deal off the table first.


Absolute_Zero wrote:So as a devoted ista...
Nope, must be addressing someone else...

Regarding misogyny, did you know that as a Minister for Women and Equalities Jo Swinson has repeatedly argued against female quotas on boards? Even David Cameron was up for that!! She did however argue for a monument to Thatcher.
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Dio wrote:It's a truly disastrous look for Labour to refuse a GE though.
Yeah, because who doesn't want No Deal left on the table!! You do realise that's the sole reason Labour aren't playing along with Cummings scheming.
No Deal is off the table until January 31st, as I understand it. If that's a misunderstanding, the four people from Labour who've been on Radio 5 today have completely failed to explain why no deal isn't yet off the table: they seemed to imply they wanted no deal off the table even after Jan 31st, which is obviously A. ridiculous and B. pointless because no government can bind a future government.
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(o)(o) wrote:
Absolute_Zero wrote:I'll answer after you've un-dodged my earlier point that...

Corbyn, Lansman (Momentum) et al are known to be up for an election... it's the Party as a whole that is aghast/against.
You made up that last bit.
Really? e.g.
Momentum wrote: Laura Parker, Momentum’s national coordinator, said: “Bring it on. Our campaign will see tens of thousands of people talk to millions of voters across the country. In 2017 Momentum’s campaign swung key seats for Labour. This time we’re going to run the biggest people-powered campaign the country has ever seen.”
McDonnell wrote:McDonnell added that he was not worried about Labour’s chances or the unusual time of year. “I want a majority Labour government and I think that’s what we’ll get. It’s a bit cold. Anything could happen … I’ve ordered a winter coat.

“My preference is to get an agreement in which we could consider the bill properly, but I’m always up for an election whenever it comes and I’ve got my winter coat ready.”
Both from: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... l-election
Labour is clear about this. Get no deal off the table first.
What is this shiny new definition of "off the table" that you speak of?
Absolute_Zero wrote:So as a devoted ista...
Nope, must be addressing someone else...
Oh, I assumed that anyone posting (long after the miscreants had been identified) that Corbyn's line on Salisbury was the correct one, would have to be an ista.
http://www.yakyak.org/viewtopic.php?f=2 ... 4#p1688004
Regarding misogyny, did you know that as a Minister for Women and Equalities Jo Swinson has repeatedly argued against female quotas on boards? Even David Cameron was up for that!! She did however argue for a monument to Thatcher.
On feminist grounds, Mr Tits. *cough*
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(o)(o) wrote:You're a LibDem member/supporter aren't you?
For the vast preponderance of General Elections I've been working abroad.

Conservative: 0
Labour: 1
Lib-Dems: 2
Membership: none
Position: centrist

I have often referred to the object of your love and affection as the Lib-Dims.

In other news:
I've just seen Owen Jones on the BBC News Channel... it could have been me. In short: strap on a pair.
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(o)(o) wrote: Regarding misogyny, did you know that as a Minister for Women and Equalities Jo Swinson has repeatedly argued against female quotas on boards? Even David Cameron was up for that!! She did however argue for a monument to Thatcher.
Luckily for Jo she became an MP before the Lib Dems followed Labour by introducing all-women shortlists, otherwise there might be two parties who have never elected a female leader instead of just one.
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Dio wrote:Um, the Tory poll ratings have been rising over the last month. Mostly due to locking in more of the Brexit party vote, but still.
They'll be losing a lot of that Brexit party vote now they've let October 31st slip through their fingers, though, won't they?
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Sheesh, another mad bitch... they're everywhere. Bitches be mad.

The Shadow Home Secretary reportedly told MPs worried about losing their seats in a December poll that they could ‘go fuck themselves’. Cheers Diane.

Reports from the EU suggest that were it not for the credible prospect of a GE (as proposed by the LD/SNP) that the EU would've only offered a November extension... with the intention to ramp up the pressure on the HoC to 11. That would've put the opposition between a rock and a very hard place, unwittingly flirting with no-deal.
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Another night of chaos and another evening where I find myself agreeing with none of the main parties.

Tories - want a GE so they can get a mandate to run along with the Brexit they want
Labour - want a GE so they can run a longer extension, open negotiations again then ask for a confirmatory vote
Lib Dems - want a GE to outright cancel Brexit

We've had 2.5 years of negotiations already and parliament is at a total deadlock, with Johnson having to consider changing the FTPA rules in order to try and trigger said election. But an election done on the terms of Brexit is inherently flawed. No Remainer would touch Lab or Tory given they are both "Leave" parties, meaning the vote would be split between LD, Greens and SNP. Tories are scoring higher than Labour at the moment but they'd still risk damaging the coverage they already have and we'd end up with a parliament that's just as hung as it is now.

Second ref is surely the only way out of this? "These are the options we have - which one do we go for?". Tories gambling that a GE would get them the numbers they need seems hugely misplaced. A GE wouldn't resolve this in any way, would it?
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Rhythm wrote:A GE wouldn't resolve this in any way, would it?
Sure it would, it would show that a GE is insufficient to clear the logjam... and thus enable/justify a ref 2.0
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Which seems like nothing more than time-wasting then
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Dio wrote:
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Dio wrote:It's a truly disastrous look for Labour to refuse a GE though.
Yeah, because who doesn't want No Deal left on the table!! You do realise that's the sole reason Labour aren't playing along with Cummings scheming.
No Deal is off the table until January 31st, as I understand it. If that's a misunderstanding, the four people from Labour who've been on Radio 5 today have completely failed to explain why no deal isn't yet off the table: they seemed to imply they wanted no deal off the table even after Jan 31st, which is obviously A. ridiculous and B. pointless because no government can bind a future government.
Parliament can legislate to revoke A50 if no deal acceptable to a majority in the Commons can be achieved.

If LDs and SNP help the Tories get their GE and we end up with a hung parliament guess what? Johnson doesn't have to step down he can ride us off the cliff.
Absolute_Zero wrote:I assumed that anyone posting (long after the miscreants had been identified) that Corbyn's line on Salisbury was the correct one, would have to be an ista.
I'm not an 'ista' anything. Generally agree with Corbyn and find him very palatable as a politician he stands for policies which don't cause the blink of an eye in countries we aspire to be like. He is a rare breed in British politics - honest, good intentions, sincere, challenging the status quo. His reputation for being on the right side of history is second to none. Even on the issues they try and tar him for eg Ireland. My reservations with Corbyn are over-idealism, and repercussions nationally and internationally of 'not playing the game'. Those qualms are tempered somewhat by his social democratic approach to politics - examples include trident, syria, and refusal to deselect those who dissent eg Benn.

The establishment are running scared so they must portray a diversity of views as chaos rather than democracy. There's the pathetic attacks on his appearance, unflattering accounts of Labours record holding the tactically offensive Tories to account, holding your nerve in the best interests of the country is described as vacillation.

The reality is democracy in 2019 is being socially engineered and manipulated by advancing technologies and communication. A sizeable proportion of people are shepherded it's gamed. I don't care if you consider that arrogance - evidence is in abundance. "Corbyn is unelectable" is a self fulfilling prophecy for the sheeple. He's an antisemite don't you know! A communist! Grows veg on an allotment!

In 1945 Labour Attlee surprised naysayers by winning a GE. Bevan installed the NHS and a million council homes were built from the rubble of WW2 and at the end of the term unemployment was 2.5%. That's on a left wing ticket. I certainly hope we are looking at another "surprising" victory for Labour.

In all likelihood Corbyn would step down for Starmer when he's got enough political experience under his belt. That would suit many Corbyn critics, but look before you leap. Take a close inspection of his schooling and career, which echo a certain former Labour PM who is now universally loathed. Let's not jump to conclusions based on nice suits and technical ability.
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(o)(o) wrote:Regarding misogyny, did you know that as a Minister for Women and Equalities Jo Swinson has repeatedly argued against female quotas on boards? Even David Cameron was up for that!! She did however argue for a monument to Thatcher.
On feminist grounds, Mr Tits. *cough*
I love tits! Nothing sexist about that. Do you not? In fact LibDems had 11% females before they introduced AWS. Now they have 39% (I think). Still short of Labour's 45% they've held for donkeys.

Anyway Swinson has laid out her position. SNP are up for it, but she was asked nicely she will NOT work with Labour. Blah blah blah Labour bad this, Labour bad that, never mind the Tories let's bleat about the opposition blah blah blah. She wants a GE and she wants to be Prime Minister. With a majority! Not very good at mathematics is she.

More likely she's not as thick as she is sounding, knows a hung parliament is likely and is positioning herself for a Tory pact and eyeing up her fucking limo. Another turncoat Libdem selling off the British for career and party politics. We've seen how she votes. Tactically to further her career. Let's tactically vote against the Tories and LibDems in Labour marginals. Let her buy her own limo with the money she's made from her data analytics company and her husband cashing in from the EU and address the real issues affecting Britain in 2019.

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