Dio wrote:(o)(o) wrote:Dio wrote:It's a truly disastrous look for Labour to refuse a GE though.
Yeah, because who doesn't want No Deal left on the table!! You do realise that's the sole reason Labour aren't playing along with Cummings scheming.
No Deal is off the table until January 31st, as I understand it. If that's a misunderstanding, the four people from Labour who've been on Radio 5 today have completely failed to explain why no deal isn't yet off the table: they seemed to imply they wanted no deal off the table even after Jan 31st, which is obviously A. ridiculous and B. pointless because no government can bind a future government.
Parliament can legislate to revoke A50 if no deal acceptable to a majority in the Commons can be achieved.
If LDs and SNP help the Tories get their GE and we end up with a hung parliament guess what? Johnson doesn't have to step down he can ride us off the cliff.
Absolute_Zero wrote:I assumed that anyone posting (long after the miscreants had been identified) that Corbyn's line on Salisbury was the correct one, would have to be an ista.
I'm not an 'ista' anything. Generally agree with Corbyn and find him very palatable as a politician he stands for policies which don't cause the blink of an eye in countries we aspire to be like. He is a rare breed in British politics - honest, good intentions, sincere, challenging the status quo. His reputation for being on the right side of history is second to none. Even on the issues they try and tar him for eg Ireland. My reservations with Corbyn are over-idealism, and repercussions nationally and internationally of 'not playing the game'. Those qualms are tempered somewhat by his social democratic approach to politics - examples include trident, syria, and refusal to deselect those who dissent eg Benn.
The establishment are running scared so they must portray a diversity of views as chaos rather than democracy. There's the pathetic attacks on his appearance, unflattering accounts of Labours record holding the tactically offensive Tories to account, holding your nerve in the best interests of the country is described as vacillation.
The reality is democracy in 2019 is being socially engineered and manipulated by advancing technologies and communication. A sizeable proportion of people are shepherded it's gamed. I don't care if you consider that arrogance - evidence is in abundance. "Corbyn is unelectable" is a self fulfilling prophecy for the sheeple. He's an antisemite don't you know! A communist! Grows veg on an allotment!
In 1945 Labour Attlee surprised naysayers by winning a GE. Bevan installed the NHS and a million council homes were built from the rubble of WW2 and at the end of the term unemployment was 2.5%. That's on a left wing ticket. I certainly hope we are looking at another "surprising" victory for Labour.
In all likelihood Corbyn would step down for Starmer when he's got enough political experience under his belt. That would suit many Corbyn critics, but look before you leap. Take a close inspection of his schooling and career, which echo a certain former Labour PM who is now universally loathed. Let's not jump to conclusions based on nice suits and technical ability.
Absolute_Zero wrote:(o)(o) wrote:Regarding misogyny, did you know that as a Minister for Women and Equalities Jo Swinson has repeatedly argued against female quotas on boards? Even David Cameron was up for that!! She did however argue for a monument to Thatcher.
On feminist grounds, Mr Tits. *cough*
I love tits! Nothing sexist about that. Do you not? In fact LibDems had 11% females before they introduced AWS. Now they have 39% (I think). Still short of Labour's 45% they've held for donkeys.
Anyway Swinson has laid out her position. SNP are up for it, but she was asked nicely she will NOT work with Labour. Blah blah blah Labour bad this, Labour bad that, never mind the Tories let's bleat about the opposition blah blah blah. She wants a GE and she wants to be Prime Minister. With a majority! Not very good at mathematics is she.
More likely she's not as thick as she is sounding, knows a hung parliament is likely and is positioning herself for a Tory pact and eyeing up her fucking limo. Another turncoat Libdem selling off the British for career and party politics. We've seen how she votes. Tactically to further her career. Let's tactically vote against the Tories and LibDems in Labour marginals. Let her buy her own limo with the money she's made from her data analytics company and her husband cashing in from the EU and address the real issues affecting Britain in 2019.
