EU referendum are you in or out

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EU Are you IN or OUT

In
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77%
Out
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17%
Undecided (shake it all about)
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6%
 
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Rhythm wrote:People: "Hey guys, can we please make it cheaper and easier for EU citizens who've chosen the UK for work, friendships, families over the past few years to settle here?"

UK Govt: "Nah. Can we instead suggest we pay people to leave?"

Absolutely fucking insane. I realise there must be a ton of caveats in that "resettlement" deal but from where I'm sitting it appears that if you're an EU citizen who's lived here for years you have the choice of:
- pay to deal with the shitty admin of "settled status" OR
- take a cash deal to leave

Fuck sake. This shitty little island has never felt like home (despite being born here) but this is beyond anything I've seen out of our lot
What worries me quite a bit, despite having checked many times the Government site, is that they keep saying about this "settled status" they almost never mention the people , like me , that obtained the "Indefinite Leave to Remain" granted by Theresa May.

I checked many times it seems to say "If you have this you don't need anything else" but "the media" keeps popping out this "Settled Status" all time which is a bit of a different thing.

I still don't know what I should do, theorectically "nothing because I already have all I need" .. practically .. I am a bit worried.

Also, there should not be "a time limit" for those things.

[edit] - and it really feels this is all " a big grudge againist EU " :( I don't think that "throwing away all EU people" is going to change much, you'll still have more non-eu people coming in.

But maybe that's what they want, yeah does not feel "that much good" in terms of "safety", clearly there's a part of "UK" that is very much anti-EU.
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WiteWulf wrote:Absolutely, couldn't believe it when I heard about that "pay to leave" thing. Priti Patel continuing to do everything she possibly can to get all the foreigners out.
At the 2010 General Election, Nick Griffin and the British National Party stood with a policy of paying EU nationals to leave the country - to free up jobs for British citizens.

The fact it is now Tory policy tells you all you need to know.
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merman wrote:At the 2010 General Election, Nick Griffin and the British National Party stood with a policy of paying EU nationals to leave the country … The fact it is now Tory policy tells you all you need to know.
Yeah. This.
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tufty wrote:
merman wrote:At the 2010 General Election, Nick Griffin and the British National Party stood with a policy of paying EU nationals to leave the country … The fact it is now Tory policy tells you all you need to know.
Yeah. This.
Patel was born in London to a Ugandan-Indian family.
OUT ! Send her OUT !

( Is she telling her parents she'll pay them to go back from where they came ? )
.. and the British National Party ..
Those that celebrated with Italian wine, Ferrero Roches ( produced by the Italian chocolatier Ferrero ) , French spumante / champagne and eat non-british food in a posh restaturant and go to holiday all over EU ( in places like, for example, Garda lake which is again in Italy ) ??

.. I can see some irony here ..
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merman wrote:At the 2010 General Election, Nick Griffin and the British National Party stood with a policy of paying EU nationals to leave the country … The fact it is now Tory policy tells you all you need to know.
This. Indeed. Can't be quoted often enough.
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gilesgoat wrote:Those that celebrated with Italian wine, Ferrero Roches ( produced by the Italian chocolatier Ferrero ) , French spumante / champagne and eat non-british food in a posh restaturant and go to holiday all over EU ( in places like, for example, Garda lake which is again in Italy ) ??

.. I can see some irony here ..
Think about that Fidesz politician, fighting against all this LGBTQ+ immorality in Hungary, getting caught in an illegal-due-to-Corona-restrictions gay orgy. Oh how we laughed.

Or Austrias Jörg Haider, successful far-right political arsonist, who was killed when he drove his Phaeton into a ditch, under the influence, apparently after a vocal argument with a lover at a gay bar. Details aren't clear and are obviously disputed, but fuck it. How. We. Laughed.

Right-wing politicians get away with nearly everything. I'm still waiting for one of them to rape a 12-year-old on live TV and just shrugging it off. At the same time the same guys want to, say, hang Hillary Clinton because she sent some irrelevant e-mails from the wrong server. The hypocrisy is strong in those ones :roll:
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The BNP's incentives to leave were considerably more generous, too...
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WiteWulf wrote:Absolutely, couldn't believe it when I heard about that "pay to leave" thing. Priti Patel continuing to do everything she possibly can to get all the foreigners out.
Johnson Senior said the UK can sustain 25 million people max.

Might be in this interview :



One wonders if Johnson Junior ("Little Johnson"?) is influenced by 'pop's views?

There's a whiff of eugenics wafting around the top brass in The Tory Party.
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Yeah, this is an old idea, from the good Reverend Thomas Malthus:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malthusianism

The gist of it is that Malthus noted that population growth is potentially exponential, while the growth of the food supply and other resources are linear.

And, therefore, logically, population growth could potentially outpace resource growth, meaning that there would be shortages, famines, wars over resources, etc. causing what's known as a "Malthusian collapse".

But it's also worth noting that Malthus was writing this in 1798, and writing it before Darwin.

Thus, there is no sense within it that, like, perhaps evolution has already thought about this. That, over some 3.5 billion years, humans are hardly the first organism to which this might apply.

There's two maps that you need to see. The first is a mapping of the "human development index", which is a measure of one's quality of life / standard of living:

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And then the world map of "children born per woman" - the fertility rate - to compare it against:

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Do the "compare and contrast". Mentally overlay one on the other.

Then, in that second map, note that all that pale yellow represents < 2 children per woman (and as it takes a man and a woman to make a baby that's 2 people creating less than 2 people to eventually replace them).

The "replacement value" is around 2.2 children per couple. Yeah, it's a little above two, as one has to take into account infant mortality - some children born never reach the age to have children of their own, so the "replacement value" is a little higher than "two kids to replace mum and dad".

So, basically, look how much of the planet is below 2 - which means the native population is shrinking. And quite a lot of it is 2 - 2.5 as well, which is kind of sitting around "replacement value", the point of replacement, where it ain't growing nor shrinking, but staying the same.

And the thing to note is that - excluding China, which actively had a "One Child" policy for a while to implement population control (which explains why its fertility rate is a bit lower than what you'd expect for its HDI ranking) - this all happened naturally.

Every modern industrialised nation is below replacement value. As the whole world's standard of living rises, so that fertility rate drops.

And where it remains high? The poor and war-torn nation of Afghanistan. The poor and war-torn nations of Central Africa - loosely where the Congolese War happened.

And this trend holds historically too. We've all heard about "2.4 children" - but that statistic comes from the post-war "baby boom". The last time we breached "replacement value" - and rose above that 2.2 to actually increase our population - was in the aftermath of two World Wars and the pandemic in-between.

(In a sense, the clue is in the question: the post-war baby boom. Making up the difference after two wars and a pandemic decimated our numbers. And, by the way, "2.4 children" is only just above replacement value. It's only just a population increase.)

I know. These numbers play a little havoc with our notions of "freewill", as we like to think we choose to have children or not. But the correlation is solid and also holds historically.

If you want to increase the population, then plunge everyone into poverty and start a brutal war (and a global plague also doesn't help). If you want to decrease the population, then raise the standard of living and live in peace and prosperity.

If Malthus had known of Darwinism and had access to this data, he might have realised: Evolution has already thought of it. Our collective inclination to have more children is in response to negative pressure against our current population. When wars and famine attack our numbers, the evolutionary response is to have more babies to make up that difference. But when all is good - without any prompting nor cajoling - our collective inclination drops to below "replacement value", so the population drops, as then the biggest threat to us is, in fact, Malthus's observation that, with vastly too many of us, we threaten the available resources to sustain us.

Makes perfect evolutionary sense. Over-population does threaten resources. So - in some shared common ancestor, over our 3.5 billion year journey to humanity - this basic instinct to keep the numbers steady (and actually bob up and down around replacement value) was forged and we inherited it.

A basic instinct to (crudely) match the available resources. Makes evolutionary sense, right? That natural selection would have hit upon an answer to this, in the 3.5 billion years it's been in operation. To provide a built-in "over-population avoidance" mechanism within life itself. It's already there - nature already thought of this long, long before we ever did.

Unfortunately, an additional problem with humanity is that we do silly things like declare war on each other, or the rich hold the poor in poverty to exploit them, or behave irrationally in the face of a pandemic, triggering this instinct to up the population, when we really, really, really don't need that right now.

The solution is already there. And the Beatles were right, it's actually "peace and love". Brotherly love, to raise our collective standard of living. To give a shit about the poor, and raise them up to not feel that their survival is threatened. To live in peace and settle our disputes by trade and the law courts.

If we can keep that up - for everyone - then the whole world map above will become that pale yellow, representing less than "replacement value", and the population will stabilise on its own. Granted, there is, unfortunately, a time lag on this - the "boomers" will be around for a while longer - so it's not any instant solution, I'm afraid, but it is the only long-term solution.

Indeed, attacking population numbers carries the danger of triggering off this instinct and making shit vastly worse. That you'll cause a "baby boom" or two, by threatening a population, that'll instinctively respond by pumping out the babies to combat the perceived threat.

Yeah, I'm a different kind of environmentalist. I rarely talk about climate change - though that is a thing, but I feel there's more than enough people out there to give you all the facts and figures on that one - but rather concentrate on the fact that, simply, we'll all be vastly better off - as a species, as a civilisation - when we switch to renewables.

The key part there being that there is no requirement to wage wars for resources with renewables. The Sun comes to us. The wind blows on by. The tides roll in and out, right around the planet. So, we can leave the Middle East alone. We can stop exploiting the poverty of Africa. We don't have to wage any wars for resources, when we're using the free (and insanely powerful) resource that rains down on our heads every single day (or, for the tides, the force that having a big moon circling us does to our oceans).

It's already there. And these technologies can be equally available to all of us. Central Africa and the Middle East switch to actually being extremely resource rich places, if the resource you're looking for is abundant sunshine. We can leave them alone, and they can thrive - all of us can, as the Sun, wind and tides reach every inch of the planet (granted, in different ratios, but with a mix of sources, you can generally make up for a lack of one with an abundance of the other. E.g. not so much sunshine in the UK, perhaps, but - damn - have we got the wind resources to make up the difference).

It's a conflict of instincts, really.

If we can learn to temper and master our greed, then the natural order actually auto-fixes itself. Evolution has already perfected the self-repair mechanisms - but we're not giving the wound the chance to heal, as we're too impatient to make unnecessarily billions burning fossil ancient forests and trying to force shit to happen with wars, or riding the "get rich quick" schemes of exploiting the poverty of other nations as an effective "slave labour" force for making us cheap shit to decorate our homes with.



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(o)(o) wrote:There's a whiff of eugenics wafting around the top brass in The Tory Party.
But certainly not the kind that is based on superior genetics. I mean, look at them. It's more "Upper Class Twit of the Year". :twisted:
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Ah, but they don't have genetics. They have breeding...
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F-ZeroOne wrote:Ah, but they don't have genetics. They have breeding...
Inbreeding, more like.
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skab wrote:
(o)(o) wrote:There's a whiff of eugenics wafting around the top brass in The Tory Party.
But certainly not the kind that is based on superior genetics. I mean, look at them. It's more "Upper Class Twit of the Year". :twisted:
Indeed.

But did you ever look at Hitler?

Austrian, not German. No blonde hair, no blue eyes. Only 5' 9". Researchers reckon he also had cardiovascular issues - likely brought on by having syphilis for a long time - and a suggestion that he was developing Parkinson's Disease. And that he had an amphetamine addiction.

This is the weird thing with folks into fascism and eugenics. They so rarely apply their doctrines on themselves.

Case in point, Priti Patel wanting to kick out the immigrants from which she herself descends. American-born Boris Johnson. Nigel Farage and his German wife (and his kids have German passports, by the way)... complaining about EU foreigners and folks not speaking English on the train.

It reminds me of the many religious figures - like American Pastor Ted Haggard - who go on anti-gay tirades and push their "gay cure" agenda, that are then discovered to be gay themselves. In Haggard's case, he was using the collection plate money to hire rent boys on the Internet and have crystal-meth-infused gay orgies. Then, you know, next Sunday, condemn homosexuals as an "abomination".

In fairness, this is probably a guilt and self-loathing thing. That he possibly really does genuinely believe that "God hates gays" and that he'd go to Hell for it all, and was pushing the anti-gay thing so hard, as if trying to make up for his "sin" to the Big Guy in the Sky. Like, maybe God would forgive him for getting off his tits on drugs and having gay orgies with randoms off the Internet, if he spent his days "curing" gays and preaching "family values".

There does also seem to be a self-loathing thing with immigration too, where those who're themselves immigrants or descendants of immigrants are kind of trying to prove themselves to be "natives" now. The most ferocious in wanting to stop foreigners coming in, to benefit from exactly that which they benefited from. Wrapping themselves up in the flag, and constantly "proving" their British-ness (or whatever nationality) to their fellow countrymen to be finally accepted as "one of us". And, indeed, often drastically overdoing the racism, to ape that which they have suffered themselves.

"The lady doth protest too much", basically.

That, tragically, those who are so judgemental about others being this or that, are actually the very thing that they claim to hate, in a strange self-loathing / guilt / penance kind of way. What psychologists would call "projection".

Fascism ultimately eats itself, basically.

So, you know, don't rule out our eugenicists on the grounds that they fail their own criteria, as these people almost always do.

Well, I mean, when they talk about "intelligence" and getting rid of the stupid people, yet support eugenics, so that one's implicitly very "Dunning-Kruger" straight off the bat. That is, if you give any credence to the idea in the first place then that marks you out, at least to me, as - ironically enough - the sort of person that fails miserably to meet their own criteria.
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KlaxonCow wrote:*SNIP*
So by pure accident .. yesterday I saw this :

SPOILER ALERT "pure imperialists big british empire should NOT watch this" ..



.. so you tell me ... "if it would have been not for some super rich american guy you would have NEVER had Mr. Churchill nor princess Diana" ? ( and a lot of other things it seems ) ...

.. got to the point of someone yelling "Britain should stop fixing its debts with dollars earned from hard working americans ?" ..

Oh my :roll:

"How to pay lot of money for an expensive label ?" ...

.. some people will never change ..
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Well, yeah. I mean, the whole concept of "class" is a Noble Lie anyway.

Quite literally, as this was exactly the example Plato gave, in the Republic, to illustrate the idea of the "Noble Lie".

The basic concept being that you can create a mythology that, while not actually being true, can serve a useful purpose as long as everyone believes it.

The classic example is religion. Though "gods" almost certainly do not exist, if everyone genuinely believes that there really is a Magic Man in the Sky, who's watching everything and will sit in judgement of you, and send you to Hell, if you're naughty, then they might well behave themselves, even when unsupervised, because, in their minds, they are being supervised. By Almighty God.

As Ricky Gervais had it, his mum used Jesus as the unpaid babysitter. Jesus is watching you, so you'd better behave, even when Mum's back is turned and she can't see you misbehaving.

Basically, the same kind of role that Santa fills around Christmas time - he has a list of who's naughty and nice, and checks it twice, of course, and you won't get presents for Christmas, unless you're good boys and girls for your parents. Santa Claus is the "Noble Lie" we all go along with. Not true, but as long as the kids believe he's real, then they'll behave to get their Christmas presents. A lie that serves a "noble" purpose, at least while folks believe it's true.

But though these are the classic examples, Plato's actual illustration was a myth that the gods, who created us, placed precious metals inside of us. That, at a person's core, was a metal and this defined what "type" of person they were - and, in Plato's time, you could, of course, get away with this sort of nonsense, as no-one knew anything about biology, as we do now, so "everyone's got metal inside them? Sure, why not? I have no idea how any of that works, so I'll just buy whatever you tell me".

So, there were gold people and silver people and brass / bronze people and iron people.

Gold people are the natural born rulers. Basically, the upper class. Then silver folks were the managers and professionals and such. That is, the middle class. Then you had the brass / bronze people who were the merchants and tradespeople - so, essentially, the working class.

And, well, because we're talking about Ancient Greece, you also had another class below that - Iron - for the slaves, as they were perfectly happy with slavery back then and needed to weave their justifications for that into this little "noble myth" of theirs.

That's the basic gist of the lie, with the idea that what metal you are is inherited from your parents. Two gold parents? Then you're a gold person too. Born of an "iron" slave? Well, a slave's life it is for you too.

The problem, you see, that Plato was trying to solve in "the Republic" was designing what he thought the perfect society should be. But, fair play, he recognised that other people might not agree. What if all the slaves and working people - the lower classes - aspired to be higher class?

That old problem. If everyone in the world was a mega-rich billionaire, then who would clean the toilets, unclog the "fat-bergs" in the sewers and collect the bins?

So the problem that Plato was trying to solve was that his ideal "Republic" needed a mechanism to ensure that, at all times, you've got enough "inferior" people to do all the shit jobs. You have to maintain a steady supply of poor people and slaves to do all the crap things that no-one would choose to do, if they had any other options.

And the genius of his "Noble Lie" here is that he's made a person's "class" intrinsic to them - it's defined by this mysterious metal inside them - and that it's inherited. So, the basic trick being that if you ensure that there's the right amount of gold, silver, bronze and iron people around to fill all the necessary jobs, then those numbers will largely remain the same, as "class" is inherited.

And it includes the idea of "know your place". Look, you were born with bronze. That's your intrinsic nature. There's really no point in you aspiring to be President - only gold people are rulers. Know your place. Know your limitations. That's not for bronze people.

But, at the same time, he knew to include an exception to the rule. Sometimes, rarely, maybe two silver parents will have a gold child. Or gold parents produce a "lesser" bronze kid.

Well, you had to account for - in your little porky pie - the fact that, actually, some people are natural-born leaders and they might not actually come from the correct "class" to suit this story. Or a King and Queen might give birth to a Prince who is, in fact, a complete incompetent moron and a terrible "leader of men". So, by including this sometimes rare bit of alchemical transmogrification, you've covered that. When this happens - and you've clearly got someone who's obviously not in the right class - then you can excuse this away, as being a rare case of when the metal randomly flips (like a genetic mutation) to the wrong metal.

So you can keep up the bullshit and have people still believe it, even when reality isn't playing ball and is throwing up obvious examples, for all to see, that this isn't actually happening as the story suggests it should.

The really interesting things to note about Plato's "Noble Lie" here is that, one, it applies to everyone. This is not the rich people lying to the poor people - everyone is being lied to equally. The "gold" people are told that they are natural-born rulers and that they have a responsibility to look after, like parents care for their children, the "lesser" classes below them.

The elites are just as equally being fooled - by flattery, which will get you everywhere - into playing their part in society as everyone else. They're as much victims of the "Noble Lie" as everyone else. You tell them that they are "elite". That they are "superior". Flatter them. And then suggest that what proves they are "superior" to everyone else is that they act as "the parents" to society below them. A good "Gold leader" rules well and is loved by everyone.

Two, what Plato is describing - though with this idea of metals, instead of genes or "breeding" or lineage - is, of course, the class system. And he's outright calling it a lie. It's not true. It's just something you tell societies, because as long as they believe it, they'll all slot themselves into their roles in society and help keep things ticking along.

It's not true. Even Plato knew that. But we should definitely know it today, because we understand biology. And everyone has a brain and a heart and kidneys. And we know what these things do. And we know that we're 99.99999% genetically identical to each other, and 99% similar to other apes and even share quite a lot of DNA with a banana.

We can now directly look and see that there's nothing there. Certainly no "metal" inside people that immutably defines their social standing.

Complete bollocks. Not a leg to stand on. Pull up a biology textbook and then point to what bit of human biology defines "class". Where is it? What's the mechanism?

Yeah, it simply ain't there.

I mean, how come all these Lords and Dukes and such didn't have enough cash to fix up their palaces? Yet these "new money" Americans were drowning in the cash. If they are inherently "superior" people, then why the reliance on scum-of-the-Earth class-less Americans to pay for everything, eh?

An obvious lie. And, in my opinion, ultimately not useful. The problem with a "Noble Lie" is that, however "noble" you might think it is - and that's very often extremely open to debate - it is, in the end, just a lie and a lie will ultimately get found out. The thing about the truth is that it cannot be found false (if it could then, well, it never was the truth in the first place, was it?).

So, I'm with Carl Sagan that it's better to face an ugly truth, than it is to go on living a comfortable lie.

There might be some initial "culture shock" to discovering that the gods don't exist, there are no "inherently superior" people, that money isn't a real thing, that there's more genetic variance within a "race" than there are between them (and, biologically speaking, there is no such thing as "race") and a whole host of other things that we're all told and indoctrinated into, but which don't actually have an ounce of hard reality behind them at all.

But it's better to be on the other side, start to see things more as they really are, and then choose, of your own freewill, to behave well because, in the cold light of truth, it really is the only thing that ultimately makes any sense.

Fuck the "Noble Lie". We'll work out how to make a society work as it really is - and if we can't, then it's just not possible, and we'll muddle through somehow regardless.
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